Hannibal in movies ?

Playing Hannibal will be a good test of Vin Diesel's acting or rather the way he wants to develop his career. At the moment, he seems to have created a certain persona and played off this in most of his movies. Perhaps like a Schwarzenegger or a Stallone, you pretty much know what you'll get when he's cast. Like Kraxis, I suspect he has the acting talent to play a more nuanced Hannibal, the question is whether he will choose to do so. If he makes the role just another Vin Diesel hardass, I'll be disappointed but I'll wait for the movies before judging.

Still, we would have been on safer ground with Denzil Washington, other actor I heard discussed for the role of Hannibal. He has similar charisma to Vin Diesel but a more proven dramatic range.

Hannibal-Vin meeting with Scipio Africanus Major before Zama - "Lord Pompey , surrender or die !" , Africanus - "Dear Hannibal , I am the roman Emperor , I do not surrender !" , Hannibal-Vin - "Pompey , you are not an Emperor but an Archon !"

Vin Diesel has shown he can pretty much carry a film before, as in Pitch Black; he really stole the show there. The question is if he can show the same amount of charisma in a more epic film.
As an aside, wasn't it one of the older Hannibal films which had real elephants killed?

Yes, and I'm fairly certain it was the 1937 version.

oh i saw i bit of that one it was awsome, not only the bit with the elephant but also they hd live charges with cavalry, i would swear i saw a guy get thrown from his mount.

i have nothing against vin deisle but i really don't want to see another gung-ho semi historic film thats 98% there social lives and affairs plus 2% killing. no i want to see non stop 50 minute sequences of people getting slaughtered. mabey 3 minutes of emotional dialouge THEN MORE KILLING :duel: ~D

You should check Mister Musclehead out in Boiler Room before you condemn him to an eternity of Stallone ripoff vehicles. The guy can act -- it's just a question of whether or not he'll chose to do so.

It's the "directed by" part that has me shaking my head. The last film that was directed and written by an action-film dude was "On Deadly Ground." Enough said.

I can just see Vin Diesel getting seperated from his army and hacking his way through thousands of Romans before finnally they all surrender and he captures the Roman Emperor before marching into Rome with all the people throwing flowers at him and he falls in love with the Emperor's sister before finally dying in the Colosseum fighting the Emperor's evil henchman (who also dies just before Hannibal does). Then one of the elepahnts give birth and an elephant with huge ears files off to join a circus. Why does this seem to ring a bell? :dizzy2:

I guess Vin Diesel will just have to spend the rest of his acting career as the "new face" of Mr Clean.

I think we should really give Vin Diesel a chance. After all, just think about Clint Eastwood- he used to be worse than typecast; he was a one-character guy. But he turned out to be a really good director. After all, he did "Unforgiven" and "Mystic River". He also turned out to be a really good actor. Vin Diesel just needs to start choosing his movies more wisely. Frankly, I think he is already proven as a good actor- the first time I saw Saving Private Ryan out of theatres, I was amazed at how little time he was in the movie. He had a real prescence, and he acted the part very well, not like the macho character he has become.

Denzel would be a bad choice. Good actor, but Hannibal was not black. Yeah yeah, I know it can't replicate history perfectly, but I want to believe like I was there, and a black Hannibal would not do that for me.

"Hannibal" 2006 , scene 1 - Any ideas ?

If there is any justice a recap of the first Punic war and a setting of the historical scene.

Hamilcar telling his son never to bow to the Romans?

Hannibal getting it on with a lady who is somehow stolen by the Romans who he invades to get her back?

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Denzel would be a bad choice. Good actor, but Hannibal was not black. Yeah yeah, I know it can't replicate history perfectly, but I want to believe like I was there, and a black Hannibal would not do that for me.

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There is one coming out staring Denzel last I heard. Any news on it?

Yes , I think Hamilcar telling to his son Hannibal etc' is the best opening , but , and this is a very very big but , many of us here in the monastery will say "How Polybius or Livius knew what Hamilcar said to his sons in far away Hispania , around 235 bce"...

I imagine that we won't start out early. The setting is more likely to be 'current' (perhaps a peaceful Hannibal walking about in some Hispanic town or something) while the voiceover will tell the story of the 1st Punic War. Then later on we see Hamilcar telling his sons (it is far more likely that all of his sons at the time were brought to the temple) never to bow to Rome.

There were indeed plans for at least two Hannibal movies, but that was quite a few years ago (about the same time as Alexander was being set up). Since we haven't heard anything more about the Denzel version we can expect it to be lost. Just like the Di Caprio 'Alexander' movie.

Di Caprio playing Alexander? :fainting: Thank God they scrapped that one.

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Di Caprio playing Alexander? :fainting: Thank God they scrapped that one.

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Why? *take a look at my earlier post*

Di Caprio is a good actor (I liked him in Catch me if you can and The Aviator) but to let him play Alexander (or indeed, any ancient military general) is just wrong. Can't put my finger on why, but I just wouldn't be able to take him seriously as a military man.

I think he'd be better than Colin Farell, especially with Farrel wearing a blonde wig that looks like it's bleached.

I wish they chose a more Hispanic guy, tanned at least.
There will no doubt be a voice over of something like Victoria (RTW Victoria) voiceover,
"When Hannibal was born, his father made him swear to fight Rome"

Okay, I just went to Yahoo I saw this
http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf...501904&intl=us

Couple of paragraphs down is "Hannibal swore to fight Rome after they killed his father" Okay, thats not good. At all. Ever.

To early to say anything yet. I wouldn't see it as historical movie at least, more like an action movie which have taken some inspiration from the real world.

[QUOTE=Marshal Murat]Its amazing how much caeser44 can condem so much, but see so little!


Ye , it is really amazing .

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Why? *take a look at my earlier post*

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Because DiCaprio looks like a girl

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Because DiCaprio looks like a girl

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I must say that is very subjective.
In all accounts he actually looks remarkably like Alexander. He is rather short, he is blondish and he has a clean face (not in the sense of dirty), the point you call girlish looks.
Besides that he is a skilled actor (whatever you think of the movie he has been in you can't fault his skills), and when he is angry he has a streak of insanity and hurt about him. Perfect for Alexander. Farell doesn't have these characteristics, and the last one was especially a shortcoming. He is in general a rather calmfaced actor, so he had to really overdo himself to play the role of Alexander when he was emotional. That is, sadly, rather visible. Di Caprio wouldn't have had such a problem.

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When [Leo DiCaprio] is angry he has a streak of insanity and hurt about him.

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Funny, I always thought he looked like an angry pug. You know, all growls and noises, but you just want to rub his head and say "Who's a good boy?"

Perhaps Alexander the Great would benefit from some angry pug action. Who knows?

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Still I'm not one to bash a movie before I've seen it.

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Sounds kind of like you are. Either way, I think you're probably right. They need to find a new good actor. For people who have seen Vin Diesel movies, I think it would be just too hard to take it seriously...

Could be good though. You never know.

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"Hannibal" 2006 , scene 1 - Any ideas ?

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Hannibal watching his parents die in a Roman chariot drive-by.

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"Hannibal" 2006 , scene 1 - Any ideas ?

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Cheesy:

Young-lad Hannibal tames the elephant no one else can ride, then strolls it over to his dad's sand-table model of Rome and Italia and crushes it.


Real:

Hannibal's army and elephants struggling to cross the alps. Hannibals eye glazes a touch....
Flashback to scenes of father teaching sons to fight, displaying skill as battle leader, and teaching them to oppose rome.
Cut back to Hannibal driving his forces onward by sheer charismatic willpower.

--- No use of wires at all, no Crouching Tiger/Hidden Dragon impossibilities.


What I don't know is whether or not Vin can pull off such a role. Sometimes an actor with a big rep for only one type of character can surprise you though: e.g. Bogart in Sierra Madre and Cain Mutiny, Wayne in The Quiet Man, Klein in A Fish Called Wanda. I haven's seen that in Deisel yet, so I'm skeptical, but perhaps its because no script called for it.

Seamus