Wannabe King Arthorius Sarmatian Knights!!! AAAAAAAH RUN FOR THE HILLS
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Wannabe King Arthorius Sarmatian Knights!!! AAAAAAAH RUN FOR THE HILLS
Actually King Arthur isn't as bad as you might think, while the detail, setting and politics sucked the thrust of the story is basically sound. There was a Romano-British commander called Arturius who beat the Saxons at Badon Hill. In the film Arturius is a Roman Equestrian, so that fits.
Anyway, about the unit, there certainly were no "Knights" since the word is Norman but Arturius held back the Saxons for fifty years, he must have had something to do it with and my bet would be heavy Cav. He probably didn't have many though as all that chainmail would have cost a bomb in the four hundreds.
i never said the movie was bad...i liked it. but the GRAAL KNIGHTS!!! C'MON O_o
An ok unit. Reminds me very much about the cataphracts from RTW, but looks alright. If has only the slightest amount of historically accuracy it`s good enough for me.
No, the word is English. It is from the Old English word Cniht, meaning boy or servant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wigferth Ironwall
Ok what do we know?
We know that a number of Sarmatians (5000?) were settled in Brittannia.
We know that a warlord named Artorius held the Saxons back not that long afterwards (generations later).
The later myths and also the tales of a Welsh monk (the first real Arthur-tale, from around 1000) include what seems to be rather heavy cavalry.
We don't know the equipment.
We don't know how many it would have been, though we can expect it to be few.
We don't know what they were called.
Is it so hard to believe that some of the initial Sarmatian men taught their sons the way of the heavy cavalry?
So in essence I would say that the unit itself is nothing we should complain about. The equipment though, is perhaps a good deal too heavy compared with what the Romano-British could afford.
A semi-armoured horse and a mailed rider with a lance would be my vision. But that is just one, others have different views.
History is not a specific fact most often.
Which is what I was trying to say. Saying OMFG knights can't exist in the 5th century! Is a bit short sighted. At the end of the Roman empire we get into a period when good first hand (or even second) accounts out side of the eastern empire are sketchy at best. This is most acute in Britain where for what ever reason written history died out when the Romans left. So really CA could give the Romano-Britions chariots and not be totally wrong.
well, then we can make whatever units we want in that game period and say it's historical accurate ~D
Graal Knight - Elven warriors
Sceary Knights - Mighty Horseriders with their underpants over their head
Bard Clubmen - Inspiring nearby troops with guitarplaying
Romano-Briton Cows - Was used in battle when nothing else was avaliable
and so on...
Come on... Be reasonable. Why do you deep complainers often retort to this kind of sillyness? ~:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by ScionTheWorm
The Sarmatians would not have been equipped in this manner. Most Sarmatians did not use facemasks, preffering spangenhelms. None would use a spear, since you need two hands to use a kontus, which they used. Only the richest Sarmatians used horse armor, and I'm thinking that the richest would not be in Brittannia, nor would they be members of the Romono British elite like they say.
And while I could see a Sarmatian based heavy horse (more along the lines that Kraxis mentioned - kontus, half bard or un armored horse with spangenhelm and scale armor), this does not mention Sarmatians much at all. The description says it's the elite of the Romano British, who "keep alive the Roman and Christian traditions of militarism and piety in equal measure". That's just foolish. Heavy horse had nothing to do with Romans, all of their horse was poorer copies of Sarmatians or Parthians (though the copies got better as time went on with the Byzantines).
And what is Graal? And why did they use the term knights? I know it has come to represent heavy horse, but they should either use whatever langauge Graal is from for heavy horse, or the Roman Clibanarii, cataphracti, or whatever the Latin term for the Greek kontophoroi (sp). The kontophoroi (sp) would be the most accurate term to describe Sarmatian style heavy horse, especially away from the steppe.
Graal means Dish or platter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
A sign of wealth I guess.
Which brings up another question: why is it in Sweden (I assume), and what's with the dish? ~;)
If you are talking about the game then that issue has been brought to CA's attention and hopefully the store involved will get punished.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
And dish I guess is related to food, a guy that has food which equals a guy that has wealth.
Atleast that's how I look at it.
Damn, I meant why is it in Swedish... :embarassed:
Graal isn't in swedish.
Probably celtic if I would take a guess.
Someone posted the translation on the .com
Nothing to do with Graal (dish) being related to taking communion and therefore Christian piety then?
AmbrosiusAurelianus, Knight is Norman, derived from the Saxon Cnit. Knight means a warrior wealthy enough to outfit himself with horse, armour and weapons for war.
Cnit just means servant, the Saxons called the Norman cavalry Cnit because they were profesional warriors serving William, his servants. William rewarded them with land and they became elite.
In any case the word knight has no place in the fith century.
Makes sense too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wigferth Ironwall
Do not insult us again. CA either A. has no historians, which we do, or B. ignores them, which we do not. I have not decided which is worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by lars573
why is everyone starting bout sarmatians...i never said they were sarmatian knights or had anything to do with them...their look and description just reminded me of the movie
I think we started talking about the Sarmatians because in the movie, those "knights" are supposedly Sarmatians.
And there were many Sarmatians in Brittania. Not a huge amount, and most probably would not have stayed in Britan. But there could be some Sarmatian style heavy horse (which any heavy horse would be based after), which is what I was reffering to. However, it would not look like this unit.
surely the "graal" couldn't imply that this unit is King Arthur's Grail Knights could it???
The end of the 6th/start of the 7th century is when the balance finally tipped toward Anglo-Saxon domination of lowland Britain. So, there were roughly two centuries when the Romano British obviously weren't that rubbish.
It's the thing in the beacon at the Castle Anthrax... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
Actually, that's what I'm thinking CA is going for... :(
I was a second too late. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy_is_a_Taff
Hmm. The Sarmatian theory may not work so well either. Most Sarmatians that stayed setteled around Dublin, and they were defectors. The Goidilic kindgom gave them lands and wives as appreciation for their defection.
And I think most heavy horse used by the Romano British were Celtic styled...
edit: PS: I have found out that Graal means Brythonic base word for Grail...
Excellent list of units. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by ScionTheWorm
Steppe, I think that B. is the most appropiate. They consulted Stephen Turnbull when they made STW, but they mainly ignored him.
Oh, let's see some more units. I propose:
Screeching Lady Guinevere ~D
Arthurian Cataphract
Lancelot Lancers
Galahad Noble Cavalry
~D
I hope they go with the early literature and have crazed wildmen of the woods units of "Merlins" rather than a zappy wizard unit.
I do expect them to provide for Merlin though.
I will be severely displeased if they do not.
We were just joking, you know. How can you include Merlin in a historical game?!
OMG... :laugh4:
I was just joking too.
I guess that sarcasm doesn't go over too well when typed.
And there'd better be a rebel faction led by Mordred too. ~D
Ok, I'll admit its an awesome looking being, but i do like my realism, and Romano-British realism especially (seeing as i am working on a 'Dark Age' britain mod)....
for example, the word knight comes fro the SAXON (old english) word cniht meaning Servant, so i doubt the Romano-Brits would be using such a word.
but, again, good looking skin and maybe of great use to modders