And you're a moderator? Ive been warned for such statements. Of course solypsist is untouchable, so what are you going to do? :shrug:Quote:
it seems the only one in here who doesn't think it was stupid is PJ. which says volumes about the guy.
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And you're a moderator? Ive been warned for such statements. Of course solypsist is untouchable, so what are you going to do? :shrug:Quote:
it seems the only one in here who doesn't think it was stupid is PJ. which says volumes about the guy.
Don't worry, I'm here.:bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
I think "the guy" was referring to Bennett, not you. PJ, you take up some really extreme views and it is pretty common to hear you defend what just about anyone else here considers indefensible.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
This is a joke right?~:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
Probably, but it is true. Just as if you aborted all White babies, crime would go down. Or all Hispanic babies. Or all Asian Babies. See the drift?Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulforged
It's a stupid argument for abortion, and that's all Mr. Whatshisnuts was trying to point out.
You're talking about crime. He's talking about crime rates. Aborting all white babies would make crime rates go up, in a completely abstract world:no: :embarassed:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser of Arabia
It was a stupid comment. Frankly, why of all the possible answers he could have given did he have to state that crime would go down if all black babies were aborted? That he followed on to state that his previous comment was impossible to pull off and morally reprehensible doesn't excuse his lumping together of black people and criminals.
For god's sake, there is no such thing as reverse racism. There is just racism. Racism is not just white against black. So there is no reverse racism, because racism doesn't go one way or another against one color against another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser of Arabia
Hrm...not according to the ACLU, NAACP, and other Affirmative Action Groups. Also, Affirmative Action is called Reverse Discrimination/Rascism in just about every nation other than the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
Well then they are fools. Racism is an age old problem, and isn't just white verus black. Heck, it isn't always based on color. To say that there is reverse racism is claiming that only whites are racist, and that is insane, because it ignores many other racial problems that exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser of Arabia
You are a man after my own heart, Steppe.~:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
from what i learned...RACISM IS DIFFERENT TREATMENT IN THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES...thats roughly...
Not only is this a personal attack but a lie. I see nothing wrong with what he said and me and Panzer are not the only ones.Quote:
it seems the only one in here who doesn't think it was stupid is PJ. which says volumes about the guy.
I wonder if GC got a warning for this? I would take it that GC agrees with Bennet whole heartedly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
After all, if you did abort all the black babies, crime would go down. But as Bennet himself said, that would be a morally reprehensible thing to do.
Later on he did.Quote:
If you aborted all babies, crime would drop even more. Why didn´t he say that?
Its bad when PC becomes so powerful you cannot tell the truth without being attacked.
[QUOTE=Kaiser of Arabia]Probably, but it is true. Just as if you aborted all White babies, crime would go down. Or all Hispanic babies. Or all Asian Babies. See the drift?
[QUOTE]But you still keep defending that logic. + Abortion = - crime? How is that? It doesn't excuse the coment of that stupid person, but even taking it from your point of view, do you really believe it? Also is he talking about forced abortion, because that will make his argument even more idiotic, even if he didn't mean it as a racial attack, it's a racial attack. The crime can go down without any abortion, and abortion only means, in the way that you put it, the end of civilization.
PS: Mods what's happening with my posts? The quotes don't function as they should.
He didnt say that. The book he was quoting did. He said later that he didnt even believe that to be true. Yet people here have supported abortion on the grounds that it reduces crime and never a word was siad about it. He is saying such a thing is abhorent even if it were true. Certainly if we abortedf all bthe crime rate would not only go down but dissappear all together.Quote:
But you still keep defending that logic. + Abortion = - crime? How is that? It doesn't excuse the coment of that stupid person, but even taking it from your point of view, do you really believe it?
The man is a fierce ANTI ABORTIONIST. He is against abortion for any reason. My how people can twist anothers words around. Its the left that says abortion is lowering the crime rate not those of us on the right. He and we say that even if it did its an unacceptable means .Quote:
Also is he talking about forced abortion, because that will make his argument even more idiotic, even if he didn't mean it as a racial attack, it's a racial attack. The crime can go down without any abortion, and abortion only means, in the way that you put it, the end of civilization.
Don't forget me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Who could possibly forget you, Kaiser? ~;)
Representing it as a possibility and expressing it is idiotic either way. Besides I was talking about the logic of GC, not Bennet's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
I didn't twist words, I don't even know how all this started, I was talking about the perspective of some people here. About forced abortions, again even mentioning the subject is stupid, appling it will be criminal. And the left on your country is giving that kind of arguments in favour of abortion? WOW they're really falling apart, and desperate. There's far better arguments for abortion than this stupidity.Quote:
The man is a fierce ANTI ABORTIONIST. He is against abortion for any reason. My how people can twist anothers words around. Its the left that says abortion is lowering the crime rate not those of us on the right. He and we say that even if it did its an unacceptable means .
So then your problem is ewith the author of the book he was quoting and not with Bennet?Quote:
Representing it as a possibility and expressing it is idiotic either way. Besides I was talking about the logic of GC, not Bennet's.
No one has mentioned forced abortions other than yourself.Quote:
didn't twist words, I don't even know how all this started, I was talking about the perspective of some people here. About forced abortions,
It not only this country, In fact many here on these very boards have quoted the same book as Bennet did.Quote:
And the left on your country is giving that kind of arguments in favour of abortion?
Link please. I do remember a thread mentioning it, but never seen it used as a defense for abortion on this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
It was a very poorly formed answer by Bennet. And I still not see were the caller brought forward the race issue in the transcript Aurelian posted.
My problem is with the statement on itself, wich makes the person an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
It was a question...if you didn't notice it. :rolleyes:Quote:
No one has mentioned forced abortions other than yourself.
This thread has degenerated nicely.~D
Bennets or the author of the book he was quoting?Quote:
My problem is with the statement on itself, wich makes the person an idiot.
Ok lets give you that. Would he have gotten the same reaction if he had said aborting every white baby would reduce crime? Again its the PC fact that blacks were mentioned that bothers you.Quote:
It was a very poorly formed answer by Bennet. And I still not see were the caller brought forward the race issue in the transcript Aurelian posted.
Besides that he says
Right off he says he dosent believe abortion reduces crime. He then goes on to say.Quote:
BENNETT: All right, well, I mean, I just don't know. I would not argue for the pro-life position based on this, because you don't know. I mean, it cuts both -- you know, one of the arguments in this book Freakonomics that they make is that the declining crime rate, you know, they deal with this hypothesis, that one of the reasons crime is down is that abortion is up. Well --
CALLER: Well, I don't think that statistic is accurate.
BENNETT: Well, I don't think it is either, I don't think it is either, because first of all, there is just too much that you don't know
He saying this is a ridiculous moronic thing to say from the start. Again if he had said white people or all babies would that have made you happy?Quote:
But I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down. So these far-out, these far-reaching, extensive extrapolations are, I think, tricky.
Theres little doubt that more abortions equals less people so of course less people equals less criminals. Maybe he mentioned blacks because they are affected more than any other group in the US by abortion.
Gawain, maybe he mentioned Blacks because they are disproportionately more likely to commit or be the victim of a crime in the U.S.A. than any other major ethnic group.
Exactly what I meant . Well that and the fact they their babies are also the most likely to be aborted.Quote:
Gawain, maybe he mentioned Blacks because they are disproportionately more likely to commit or be the victim of a crime in the U.S.A. than any other major ethnic group.
fair play
~:cheers:
Bennet's of course. The right answer would have been that's just ridicolous and I'm not going to make opinions over that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
But I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce wars, you could -- if that were your sole purpose, you could sterilize every American in the world, and the amounts of wars would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but the amounts of wars would go down. So these far-out, these far-reaching, extensive extrapolations are, I think, tricky.
Either you will take this above statement as #### and ignore it. Or you will be insulted, and certainly if you feel it's true, care about it and aren't exactly happy about it. Known as touchy subject. And well it is insulting to the rest too, as atleast I get the feeling that I want to say that atleast I'm not to blame for that statistics, if I'm part of the group hit by the statement.
So yes I wouldn't have a problem with the statement on aborting all the white, as I know it's a lie.
The all babies would have worked best in this case.
And he was thinking about crime as he talks about crime rate not crime in general. Nothing about the abortion rates.
And he knew that it was stupid too. Why would he be trying to reduce what he was saying so much otherwise?
oooh i like that tone ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince