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Probably so. It just galls me to dull a sword cutting trees. And its not as though the current approach is cheap. I mean, just how many service hours are we racking up on the Sea King turboshafts?Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
You did, I hope, recognize the katn assault service?~:)
Seamus
Not really, it was in accordance with the Posse Comitatus and Insurrection Acts from what I saw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
That's just it really. Posse Comitatus allows for federal troops to be used domestically in special circumstances- it's not like it totally bars it from happening, it just sets criteria to help ensure they aren't used wantonly. However, now we have Bush saying that, essentially, we might need to scrap the Act altogether...
There is some nasty stuff floating around in Asia. When SARS hit, the Chinese were in heavy denial mode. I was in Singapore during the start of the SARS outbreak, and there was some sort of nasty respiratory bug there, too, but different from SARS. I hadn't seen it in the U.S., but noticed it immediately in Singapore while on mass transit. Within ten days it was hitting me, and one of my Singaporean coworkers ended up in the hospital for a few days. It had arrived in East Texas before I came back home, and it eventually killed several folks suddenly--several young and healthy otherwise. I was able to shake it, but it came back at me two more times over the next year. I had to take antibiotics to clear up the resulting respiratory infections, twice! I hadn't had antibiotics for decades and rarely got sick with anything, so this was a shock. (If I need anything more than a Tylenol, something is seriously wrong.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
Don't count on the CDC for fast action if something like this hits. They seem to be way behind the curve when infectious diseases are in full swing and spreading. I suspect they cover up more than they report--based one what I've seen them do during regional outbreaks of meningitis and West Nile. Where I was living in East Texas had an epidemic of meningitis cases every few years and I had a number of coworkers who got hit by it, and several nearly died. Always according to the CDC, "there was no epidemic" despite the numbers exceeding their epidemic guidelines for the region.
I can't find links to the several year old study now, but the West Nile virus was something like several HUNDRED times more common than what the CDC was (and is) saying. The study differed in testing for WN antibodies in a more general population, rather than suspected infections. The people who were being treated as WN patients had actually developed the full blown encephalitis. Only a very tiny proportion actually needs/seeks hospital care since they don't develop the severe form.
I'm pretty sure I got hit by the standard weaker version of West Nile a few weeks before the West Nile outbreak was recognized in my area. I didn't know anything about West Nile at the time. It was looking back at it later when I looked up West Nile's symptoms that all the puzzle pieces fit: I had a really nasty debilitating headache and general symptoms that suggested meningitis, but without the characteristic stiff neck. Lasted a few days and I got over it without seeing a doctor, although the malaise was a real pain for at least a week. In the week or two prior to getting sick, and for a few weeks after, I had noticed an unusual number of dead birds in the yard. Mosquitoes were not at all uncommon there, but I usually didn't get bitten much, except in this case, where I had taken a "pounding" from the little devils about 5 days earlier while working outside in the early evening. Several other members of my family were outside about the same time and were also bitten. We all got sick within a few days of one another and with the same basic symptoms. If the ever offer me a WN antibody screen, I would like to see if my supposition is correct.
Think how soft core Bushites must feel about vote! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
Funny how Bush is ready to believe in mutating viruses killing millions, but not global warming. Maybe because this hasn't been lobbied by the oil companies.
Any excuse to make federal agencies, bureaus, and task forces. He loves to wield power, doesn't he? I wonder what his stand on states' rights is now. "Don't mess with Texas". I think he wants to catalog, confine, and strip search the entire population.
*cough* police state! *cough*
60 people died in Asia? How many died from lightning strikes in the same period?
I'm not belittling the flu. It could cause a lot of trouble. But people sure do panic easily. Fear is a big motivator here. It got us into Iraq.
You have it in part - its just not organized for such a mission.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
The Corps of Engineers.
Yep just come to Dallas - we have about 2-5 deaths a year from West Nile virus and many undocumented cases of it. They are consistently spraying nesting and breeding areas to help control it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Harvest
It sounds like it - 5 days after getting bite is about the norm I think.Quote:
I'm pretty sure I got hit by the standard weaker version of West Nile a few weeks before the West Nile outbreak was recognized in my area. I didn't know anything about West Nile at the time. It was looking back at it later when I looked up West Nile's symptoms that all the puzzle pieces fit: I had a really nasty debilitating headache and general symptoms that suggested meningitis, but without the characteristic stiff neck. Lasted a few days and I got over it without seeing a doctor, although the malaise was a real pain for at least a week. In the week or two prior to getting sick, and for a few weeks after, I had noticed an unusual number of dead birds in the yard. Mosquitoes were not at all uncommon there, but I usually didn't get bitten much, except in this case, where I had taken a "pounding" from the little devils about 5 days earlier while working outside in the early evening. Several other members of my family were outside about the same time and were also bitten. We all got sick within a few days of one another and with the same basic symptoms. If the ever offer me a WN antibody screen, I would like to see if my supposition is correct.
I don't see what's so scary about this. Sounds like a good way to get rid of a epidemic, better save then sorry. When controlled there would be also be enough vaccins to help the locals, nobody loses.
WOW Bush is smarter than I thought! ~:eek:
Probably going to be the only thing that might save him in the eyes of history if he indeed needs to pull it off.
@Proleteriat: Nananananana nanana nanana hahahnananana....
wehjooo ~:eek: creapy
They would be an excellent starting component -- good reminder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
Seamus
I think you're absolutely right. I agree 100%. Back when we started this second Iraq war I was scratching my head wondering why we hadn't prepared one of these at that point. The need has since been more than amply demonstrated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
DA
Del:Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Arroyo
You could also add examples like: Haiti, Bosnia/Herzegovina, Mid-Atlantic USA post-Isabel, Gulf USA post-Rita, Florida post-Andrew, Mississippi valley post-1998 floods....We need ready brigades of these forces to do some tough work in all sorts of places.
Seamus
let's throw some more logs on this police-state fire:
"WASHINGTON - Pentagon intelligence operatives would be allowed to collect information from U.S. citizens without disclosing their status as government spies under legislation approved by the Senate intelligence committee and publicly released this week.
The bill would end a longstanding requirement that military intelligence officers disclose their government ties when approaching an American citizen in the United States -- a law designed to protect Americans from domestic intelligence activities by the Department of Defense.
The provision is one of several sections that would roll back privacy-related protections as part of an effort to improve U.S. intelligence agencies' ability to detect and prevent domestic terrorist plots. Another provision would make it easier for U.S. spy agencies to gain access to sensitive records on U.S. citizens that are held by the government and generally prohibited from being disseminated under privacy laws."
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i have set up an account to read the news:
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bugmenot
I got a nickel that says the day you buy it you find your original copy.~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
I think inquiring into using the military is a smart thing for him to do, better safe than sorry. There is no way people are going to stay in a quarantined area if they are told to. It would be reassuring to know that the military was available to help protect the rest of the US from all the infected idiots trying to run off and get the rest of the country sick. At least he is not asking if Blackwater can do it.:dizzy2:
the more opportunities the US military has to fire on its own citizens (and vice versa) the easier it, as a body, can grow comfortable with the idea, and then we all know the slippery slope that leads to.
He probably thinks the flu is a country that he now wants to invade...
Well Bush has a lot of support from the military industrial complex, so he's bound to heighten their importance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
So which is going to be used to explain a new strain of virus:
A) Intelligent Design... god did it.
B) Evolution... roll the dice enough times and the bank takes all.
I'd have to say... maybe. ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
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Originally Posted by Papewaio
You thread-jacking scamp!!!! Did you have fun in primary school baiting your classmates into fighting one another? You might as well pass out sparklers to the work-crew at a refinery!!!~;)
By the way, A subsumes B as the methodology for A so your either-or dichotomy misrepresents A.
Seamus
On which day was it that god created evolution?~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio