New Rules....

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Look, I know that Gawain, Panzer, Capo, Prole, Crazed Rabbit, DDave and myself are on your short list to be banned

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I thought he just said

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Originally Posted by solypsist
thus you are safe from the banstick!

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Imust in Soly and the other mods defense say that Ive only recieved one very minor warming and havent gotten so much as a single point in almost two years. And lord knows Ive done my share of posting here. I admit ive come close in my own opinion to deserving one. Would you believe I even heard a rumor a few months ago I was being considered for Senior Membership? I remember Redleg got that right after he had a big dispute with the mods right here.

Yes the rumour is true but I ate all the viagra so we thought it would be unfair to give you the title without the recourse to medicate. ~:cool:

The Mods at .com recently decided food was too boring a topic to talk about and a forum regular from 3 years ago was banned for making a thread on crepes, so if you honestly have a prob with Solys actions you're nutcases.

Need some chill pills around here, man.

Did I mention Prol and Don being my favorite posters here. I act as a guarantor for them and their integrity. I would not be amused to see something bad happening to them.:bow:

Im thinking this is getting out of hand here.I also think Don and Prole are good posters and i like them a lot but i think this continuos attacking against Solypsist is getting out of hand.You guys cant really seriosly think that there is somekind of co-ordinated attack going on against the conservative patrons of the Org."The left" in the Org is so disorganiced that they couldnt even mount an attack like that.~;) We all have to remember that this is a gaming forum not a US Kongress or some other political Forum.Solypsist have been away for a while of his Moderating business,so he might be little trigger happy.So give him a break now will you guys.Thats my five cents anyway.:bow:

One thing I do not quite understand - what do people think the motivation of us "liberals" would be to ban "conservatives" from the Backroom?

Obviously people come to the Backroom to discuss political topics and exchange views and opinions. How much fun would that excactly be when you start to ban people who disagree with you?

Do you think our target is to create some kind of pacified and sterile Backroom were "us liberals" agree on all issues and pat ourselves on the back for owning the truth and having the correct view on things?
I can do that for myself at home - I dont need to visit a discussion board for that.

I am really puzzled here...

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

It's all a big joke to you, isn't it?

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Don, like Franconius I greatly respect you as a contributor to the Org but please consider some friendly advice, not given in any official capacity. Here I think you are making exactly the same mistake as in the thread that caused all this trouble. My reading is that Soly's "you are safe" post was made as a friendly guesture expressed in a light hearted way, not as a provocation. I think he was trying to tell aggrieved parties to relax and take it easy, not saying he thinks it is all a joke. Your response is to turn this peace offering into a further source of grievance, pushing him further and ultimately this is only going to lead him to push back. I think this kind of misunderstanding would not happen in real life where people could see each others' body language, hear their voice intonation etc.

With respect, Don, I understand people's concerns here but think you need to step back a little and take a deep breath. Some of your posts in this matter have seemed symptomatic of the kind of heated polarised stance we've talked about before. Sometimes mods may give warnings you disagree with, make posts you disike, fail to spell out rules as explicitly as you want etc. But if you give us a chance, I am sure you will find that the Org will continue to be the benign place it has always been. However, if you blow this row up into something bigger than it is, I fear we are going to see more regrettable things like Prole leaving the backroom.

That's by no means a threat - just a fearful prediction. I've been watching this whole affair with detached dismay - it reminds me of train wreck, slowly ploughing a path of destruction. You or I, or indeed anyone person, cannot fix everything and make it right. (I want to quote the Serenity Prayer.) But may be it is time to walk away from this particular episode and get back to business as usual. ~:grouphug:

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Originally Posted by Ser Clegane

One thing I do not quite understand - what do people think the motivation of us "liberals" would be to ban "conservatives" from the Backroom?

Obviously people come to the Backroom to discuss political topics and exchange views and opinions. How much fun would that excactly be when you start to ban people who disagree with you?

Do you think our target is to create some kind of pacified and sterile Backroom were "us liberals" agree on all issues and pat ourselves on the back for owning the truth and having the correct view on things?
I can do that for myself at home - I dont need to visit a discussion board for that.

I am really puzzled here...

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Now I cant say i come in here that often But

As far as i can tell.
The forum is being systematically changed in to a 100% christian.

With people opposed to christianity geting Warnings and maby even a ban.

Now if that is not opressing oppinions i dont know what is.

if you decide to stop people bashing christianity or any other religion Then obviously you should also Stop people Praizing There religion or even discussing it,

If you begin to favour any 1 that makes you bias,
And that is not right..

ShambleS

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Originally Posted by Shambles

Now I cant say i come in here that often But

As far as i can tell.
The forum is being systematically changed in to a 100% christian.

With people opposed to christianity geting Warnings and maby even a ban.

Now if that is not opressing oppinions i dont know what is.

if you decide to stop people bashing christianity or any other religion Then obviously you should also Stop people Praizing There religion or even discussing it,

If you begin to favour any 1 that makes you bias,
And that is not right..

ShambleS

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Now that's a very interesting observation - as, according to some other views, the moderators are actively biased against Christianity and allow Christian-bashing without consequences ... go figure.

IMHO it should be no problem to discuss a topic, including religion, without having to insult, bash, belittle (or whatever) any people who do not share your view on the issue.

EDIT to add: Regarding warnings, there seems to be one point, that seems to need some clarification (at least considering some PM exchanges I had) - apart from the person who receives a warning, other patrons are rarely aware that warnings, alerts, etc. have been issued at all.
Geberally, warnings are neither announced publicly nor is the warning level of the individual patrons visible to other patrons (at least up to a certain level, in the last version of this board, warning levels were visible after they passed a certain point).
So any statements along the lines that certain people get warnings for violating forum rules while others get a free pass are usually mere assumptions.

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Originally Posted by Ser Clegane

Now that's a very interesting observation - as, according to some other views, the moderators are actively biased against Christianity and allow Christian-bashing without consequences ... go figure.

IMHO it should be no problem to discuss a topic, including religion, without having to insult, bash, belittle (or whatever) any people who do not share your view on the issue.

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I too have seen religion's being attacked with no conciquences.
However as previously stated,
new rules are being implimented BECOUS of complaints about christian's being attacked.

Obviously its not right to attack Any 1 becous of there beleifs,
But if they start Telling you how right they are When all they have Is faith,
Then your bound to get A heated attack/debate.

Personaly i dont think that targeting the people who Reply in anger To threads of this sort is the answer,
as I always Feel Baited in to Expressing my oppinions aboutany religious thread.
Which in turn Could lead me to be warned, Under the "new rules"

Where as in my oppinion Any 1 trying to Entrap Anti religios people with Posts about religion should Atleast Also be warned,

However I do not know all that much about the warning system,
And prehaps this already happens,

Although from past posts I have seen and read, this is not the case,

But as i said,
I dont know all that much about the warning system,

ShambleS

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as I always Feel Baited in to Expressing my oppinions aboutany religious thread.

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I noticed:

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But if they start Telling you how right they are When all they have Is faith,
Then your bound to get A heated attack/debate.

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Don't start a discussion like that in here, take it to the backroom...


It seems to me that some of the people on this forum think the mods are biased one way, some more think their biased the other way... Make up your minds.

The truth of the matter is, the mods aren't evil bastards out to get you. We're all human on this forum (or at least I hope so :wink:), talking to a mod is not like talking to the cops, were all patrons of the forum, we all want to enjoy our time spent here.

It quite surprised me coming over here and seeing this discussion. I must say the Modding forums seem to escape the attentions of those who want to disturb the peace.

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Originally Posted by Ser Clegane

One thing I do not quite understand - what do people think the motivation of us "liberals" would be to ban "conservatives" from the Backroom?

Obviously people come to the Backroom to discuss political topics and exchange views and opinions. How much fun would that excactly be when you start to ban people who disagree with you?

Do you think our target is to create some kind of pacified and sterile Backroom were "us liberals" agree on all issues and pat ourselves on the back for owning the truth and having the correct view on things?
I can do that for myself at home - I dont need to visit a discussion board for that.

I am really puzzled here...

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Well, you see, the thing is Liberals want a Utopia ruled by them where they can freely kill Conservatives and exploit the genetic resources of developed nations to help Leichtenstein become a world power....or make Leichtenstein THE world power.

Mao was a liberal... :book: ~:)

Of course, I'm joking with you.

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Originally Posted by Ser Clegane

One thing I do not quite understand - what do people think the motivation of us "liberals" would be to ban "conservatives" from the Backroom?

Obviously people come to the Backroom to discuss political topics and exchange views and opinions. How much fun would that excactly be when you start to ban people who disagree with you?

Do you think our target is to create some kind of pacified and sterile Backroom were "us liberals" agree on all issues and pat ourselves on the back for owning the truth and having the correct view on things?
I can do that for myself at home - I dont need to visit a discussion board for that.

I am really puzzled here...

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Obviously, you want to use the Backroom to discuss the relative merits of Leninism, Trotskyism, and Maoism.

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Originally Posted by Myrddraal

IThe truth of the matter is, the mods aren't evil bastards out to get you.

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Doh! I must be too subtle. ~;)

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Originally Posted by Myrddraal

I noticed:


Don't start a discussion like that in here, take it to the backroom...

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T^HIS IS THE BACKROOM.....

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Originally Posted by Shambles

T^HIS IS THE BACKROOM.....

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No edit feature,

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We are...

The Guild > Miscellaneous > Watchtower > Backroom > New Rules....
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We are in the Watchtower section of the Forums, in the Sub-sub-sub forum Backroom.

The Backroom he was talking about is another one, I'm tempted to think..

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Originally Posted by Arcanum

We are in the Watchtower section of the Forums, in the Sub-sub-sub forum Backroom.

The Backroom he was talking about is another one, I'm tempted to think..

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Well if your not a member you cant View this Sub forum ,
So its the same as the back room,

Fallacy of the undistributed middle term alert!

To clarify, I was of course refering to the tavern backroom:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=19