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The correlation that you tried to make is that both areas are one and the same - that is not correct. There is no correlation between the two. One is occupied by a military force - and the other is not. Occupation often means a restriction of freedom of press - because of the nature of the business of war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ldvs
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I apologise for this hasty generalisation, then.
Here let me refresh your limited memory from a post that is still visible.
Its quite plain Red , the USA in Iraq is listed as 137 is it not
as many of your past posts have shown in other threads, is that you like to find fault with the United States or a someone who posts from the United States.
I like to find faults with posts regardless of where they come from .
to draw a correlation that does not exist.
What correlation ? I clearly stated two listings , as did Ldvs .
As he says......In Iraq ..... you see America is classed as an occupier in that territory according to that report , so it gets its own little extra slot .
Now what is interesting is that there isn't a further slot for Afghanistan or Cuba .
There are some security issues that make total journalistic freedom in war zones unwise. A journalist could unintentionally give up troop movement, location, size, etc. by just reporting. I definitely think there should be less “freedom of Press” in a war zone and this index reflects that my thoughts are in practice.~:)
But I still question the validity of the measurement scale used for their index.
And the correlation that its for the whole United States is false - which is exactly what was pointed out. However don't let that distrub you to much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
Oh so I didn't say your anti-american then. :dizzy2: ~:eek:Quote:
as many of your past posts have shown in other threads, is that you like to find fault with the United States or a someone who posts from the United States.
I like to find faults with posts regardless of where they come from .
Actually you did not clearly state that - and you and Ldvs attempted to draw this conclusion - using Ldvs own words.Quote:
to draw a correlation that does not exist.
What correlation ? I clearly stated two listings , as did Ldvs .
As he says......In Iraq ..... you see America is classed as an occupier in that territory according to that report , so it gets its own little extra slot .
Now what is interesting is that there isn't a further slot for Afghanistan or Cuba .
Now if he said government he would be correct - however as stated in his quote he stated country which you attempted to defend as being correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ldvs
The United States of America as a Country is ranked 44th. THe United States of America in Iraq is ranked 137th. According to some nebolous poll of journalists. Which I take with a healthy dose of salt because of stated reasons for the placements.
Word games all and all
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Originally Posted by Redleg
Ouch, it seems to me that you've made exactly my mistake ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
As for the correlation thingy (that you insist Tribesman and I are drawing), I assume the American troops in Iraq haven't actually declared themselves independent of the US's government, have they?
I understand your point better now and think our respective logics aren't to be blamed. We just disagree on what should be allowed or not in war zones. If I'm not mistaken, yesdachi has summed up your views quite accurately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
But neither are they everyone in the country either now are they.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ldvs
Having fought in a war - I can safely state I don't want a journalist near me reporting on my position. Visual intelligence is what the enemy gathers from reporters covering stories from within troop locations.Quote:
I understand your point better now and think our respective logics aren't to be blamed. We just disagree on what should be allowed or not in war zones. If I'm not mistaken, yesdachi has summed up your views quite accurately.
OPSEC is important to the security of the operation and the safety of the soldiers on the ground. A little restriction placed on journalists is worth the cost of the reduction in some journalists eyes on his ability to report the news.
And the correlation that its for the whole United States is false - which is exactly what was pointed out. However don't let that distrub you to much.
That corelation has not been made by me , so how can I be making a false corelation if I have not made it ?????
seperate listings , own little extra slot , two listings , in Iraq .
Oh I see , if you ignore all of those little words then I am saying that the listing for the USA is the same as the listing for the USA in Iraq .~:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Tribesman
Kind of like your assuming I said your anti-american now isn't. ~:eek:
Kind of like your assuming I said your anti-american now isn't
Well since you have said it so often in the past it isn't really an assumption is it ?
So ....That corelation has not been made by me , so how can I be making a false corelation if I have not made it ?????
........ ?????????
Nice try - but no cigar. Since that was over 18 monthes ago - and old history when you got abusive toward me first. Find one thread that I have called you that since then.. Oh wait there isn't one is there. There you go making assumptions again.. Poor Tribesman can't handle being wrong on something now can you?.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
you might want to learn to read what is written by another before you jump on the same bandwagon as that individual.Quote:
So ....That corelation has not been made by me , so how can I be making a false corelation if I have not made it ?????
........ ?????????
Oh wait you just like to find fault with other people's opinions not your own....~;p
Nice try - but no cigar.
Would you like to try and deny it ???
edit to add ,after you had edited your postSince that was over 18 monthes ago ???????
Poor redleg is your memory faulty ??
Well would like to find the thread and discover what was actually stated - I am sure its back in the Dec 2004 time frame. Oh and here is the only time I know I said anything close to Anti-American directed at you specifically. And that term was not actually stated but something else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...t=40662&page=2
Nope - Tracking of time is a little though howerver - but obvious that your memory from constant achocal abuse or as you claim drinking heavily on a constant basis - might be since you seem to assume that I have claimed your always anti-american. Find a post other then the one linked above that is within a year of todays date where I claim you are anti-american and I just might go eat some crow.Quote:
edit to add ,after you had edited your postSince that was over 18 monthes ago ???????
Poor redleg is your memory faulty ??
So what have we discovered today.
It seems that Tribesman likes to find fault with everyone's posts. But seems to be only directed at those who posts opinions opposite to his own views. And does not appreciate others finding fault with his comments.
That Tribesman might have a prosecution complex because he believes and assumes that when someone says fault they really mean Anti-American.
Edit: to fix a quote tag and to add one sentence
but obvious that your memory from constant achocal abuse or as you claim drinking heavily on a constant basis
My memory is fine Red , it appears to be YOU~;) who has a faulty memory and an inability to read and understand what is written .
Freedom of the Press is over rated.......
O-ver Ray-ted :clap: :clap: :clapclapclap:
"Keith, go to bed."
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Originally Posted by Tribesman
Back at you there Tribesman your the one that assumed that when I said finding fault meet I was calling you anti-american.
So I guess the persecution syndrom is alive and well with you then.
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My memory is fine Red , it appears to be YOU who has a faulty memory and an inability to read and understand what is written .
So , what corelation ? and what 18 months ?
Would you like a clue on the latter ?
It was at a time when a certain Mod made some rather nice comments about your posting style ~D If my drink addled faulty mind serves me correctly~:cheers: you were in the habit of throwing that anti-american phase around very loosely , your postig style and content has improved greatly since then .
Perhaps we can work on your sense of humour next .
It seems that Tribesman likes to find fault with everyone's posts. But seems to be only directed at those who posts opinions opposite to his own views. And does not appreciate others finding fault with his comments.
.........False on several counts , though I suppose the use of the word "seems" would imply that that is only an opinion piece .....and everyone is entitled to their opinion .
That Tribesman might have a prosecution complex because he believes and assumes that when someone says fault they really mean Anti-American.
........Hmmmmm...."might".....so pure conjecture there......So....So what have we discovered today.
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Not a lot by the looks of it , but nice try Red .
LOL - Tribesman it was a slow day at work and I have found the whole conservation rather amusing myself - but it seems that you are still unable to ackownledge that you misread and jumped to conclusions when you decided that finding fault meant anti-american. Oh there are other exambles throughout the board - just like there are exambles of my mistakes - but that is the most obvious one today. And goes to show that while your good at being a little sarcastic nickpicker your often guilty of doing what your trying to berate others for.
But its now off to bed for a little sleep before spending the day with the family and the long lost neice who has moved to where I now live. Someone much more important then an Irishman who has a persecution complex. ~:eek:
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Wow, blatantly you like taunting each other but let's get back on topic and stop playing on words solely to avoid discussing the real matters at hand.
I fully comprehend that an army will be more than reluctant to let journalists run freely and report on its position. Nevertheless, we're talking about a period and zone of heavy and regular engagements there and the war is now supposedly over for quite a long time, which is not the case for violations of press freedom. For example, showing the coffins of the dead soldiers being brought back to the USA was prohibited (still is, perhaps?), because it was deemed "anti-patriotic" by the White House and would undoubtedly both anger and discourage the American population. So, in the name of the general contentment (and electoral purposes), one must prevent people from knowing the truth, or worse, manipulate images to make them believe the war is going very well (not showing any dead or injured American soldiers in the process)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
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Originally Posted by Zorba
These worthless posts belong in the Frontroom Zorba (I'm not even sure they would fit there). If you have an opinion, try to express it in words, please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorba
For example, showing the coffins of the dead soldiers being brought back to the USA was prohibited
Hmmm..... Now what category does that fall into , 44th or 137th ?~D ~D ~D
Besides which I don't think it was prohibited as such . Discouraged certainly but not prohibited .
Though of course the arrival of the coffins would be at a military facility which has the usual restrictions of access on reporters .
Hence the "problems" that arose when the pictures from inside a military plane carrying coffins made its way into the public domain .
Funerals of casualties are shown at a local or regional level all the time , and on a national level as well when it is a "big enough story" for example ,when there are a large number at one time in one place (as in Ohio) , or when a bunch of "religeous" nuts decide to use the funerals for a completely different agenda (like sodomy) .
Well, Nova Scotia did outlaw a slew of "negative" words from the media. What a pile of turd that was. I guess it makes sense.
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Originally Posted by Goofball
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