Favourite faction?

Oh - as for my favourite faction... I guess I would say Shimazu... You have some great options early on, for instance do you crush Imagawa and take the whole of Kyushu; move east into Shikoku, crushing Rebels & Ronin on the way; or north and take the great armouries of Mori? Due to money worries you also need to make careful spending plans, which adds another layer of strategic goodness. Finally, the Shimazu speciality troop types (No-Dachi), unlike Takeda (cavalry!) and Uesegi (Archers), don't make the game too easy.

I do enjoy playing with Uesegi and Hojo but find them both too rich to be very interesting - you never have to plan your spending and saving carefully! Never really got the hang of Oda. Not a big fan of the split lands of Takeda and Imagawa. Mori are quite interesting as they have quite a few options for enemies, have early access to armouries and the speciality troop type (Monks) alters your late game playing style dramatically (cheap Monks or guns?!)

Heh, great game :D

Usegi, and mori...
Cant decide which.

Oda...everyone's an enemy (read: victim) your troop bonus is only useful early on and sooner or later you have to tangle with warrior monks and then fight a two-front war. i played STW for four years and the last two were spent fighting one Oda campaign after another...!

do like the Uesegi though, raining death on people.

Hi martok,

I do hate the Hojo but fortunately in the game I hate the Oda even more. (*throws something at matteus the inbred*) hmmm I always found the Uesugi campaign the most easy... but I only played the Hojo once, because I dislike them. Perhaps I should try them out again.

and about the Oda.. I dislike them for the yari ashigaru.. yes, because I hate yari ashigaru! ~:) :yes: ~:cheers:

I just can't stand seeing them rout before the actually engage..:no: :skull:

Matrixman ~:cheers: I hope you do, it will make the Dojo nicer ~:)

Uesugi or Mori, though I usually start on an earlier campaign setting. Takeda can be fun too, but I always seem to end up with infantry heavy armies even with the cheaper cavalry.

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Originally Posted by p_nutter

Shimazu.

Mostly because of the cheap no-dachis with the honour bonus; they can really do some damage. Also, there is usually a horde to deal with at the end of the campaign.

Is the Mongols an allowed answer to this question? the trouble is, it's just too easy with the Mongols, even on expert mode.

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I'm currently playing my first Shimazu campaign....and it's come down to me and a teched-up Oda clan with stacks of YC, HC, and NagCav. Am I doomed to just slug it out???....I've tried flooding target provinces with shinobi, and also invading with mini-armies of priests to see if I can trigger some revolts......no effect so far.

What does anybody reckon? I've seen the thread about Shimazu campaigns...but I just wonder if anyone has any words of advice for someone "facing the horde"

:duel: :stupido:

Ive forgotten the name of them but the green ones are my favourate.

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Originally Posted by crop

Ive forgotten the name of them but the green ones are my favourate.

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That would be the Shimazu clan. ~:)

usegi are a good clan to begin with.
IMO.
I like there starting position and they get cheap archers.
which is Great for a good start.

Shimazu must be my most played clan.
just start and go to war. Take out mori and the rebels 1st.
And you have only 2-3 provinces that need heavy defending.
Then you can build at your leasure.

Mori are quite similar.
being on that thin strip of land, You need only defend a few provinces heavily.

Welcome to the Org crop...:idea2:
Do you play STW Multi player?
And are you the guy i saw in the foyer 1 day?
Im ShambleS. Btw..:dizzy2:

Any way.
If you are the same person or not.
Welcome to the org.

And i hope to see you in the foyer some time soon
:bow:

I second that :yes:
Welcome to the .org crop!! and welcome to stw mp!! :bow:

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I'm currently playing my first Shimazu campaign....and it's come down to me and a teched-up Oda clan with stacks of YC, HC, and NagCav. Am I doomed to just slug it out???....I've tried flooding target provinces with shinobi, and also invading with mini-armies of priests to see if I can trigger some revolts......no effect so far.

What does anybody reckon? I've seen the thread about Shimazu campaigns...but I just wonder if anyone has any words of advice for someone "facing the horde"

:duel: :stupido:

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It's a bit of an exploit because the AI rarely does it, but
you can send an army or two by boat into one of the Oda's provinces that's behind the lines.

Hmmm why is that seen as an exploit?

I really don't know why.

I have been attacking trough ports as well sometimes.

Attacking through ports is "cheating" because the AI will never properly defend against it or plan around it, and never does it to you without exceptional circumstances.

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Originally Posted by Just A Girl

Welcome to the Org crop...:idea2:
Do you play STW Multi player?
And are you the guy i saw in the foyer 1 day?
Im ShambleS. Btw..:dizzy2:

Any way.
If you are the same person or not.
Welcome to the org.

And i hope to see you in the foyer some time soon
:bow:

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Thats me! I was wondering where you had gotten to.

Ah ha.
Welcome I thought it was you :).

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I believe the Port glitch is a glitch not a cheat,
But glitch exploiting is as bad as cheating.
so you can call it cheating :)

Most people tend to use Geisha's To whoop ass when they must.
I dont personaly use them as they tend to always kill there targets.

but undoubtedly correct use of geishas would be Less likley to be conciderd cheating, than using port attacks.

if i remember correctly Your not actualy ment to be able to attack by a port unless you walk a spy all the way over there 1st,.
but you can any way,
And that contributes to the whole manoover being called a glitch exploit.

My favorite faction, Imagawa. The split lands is difficult but there is a way to play it right. I usually start by slightly beefing up my defenses around the shimazu island. Then I build a lot of shinobi and incite riots in omi province, this results in Oda having less troops available but gives him a general with higher rank. Then I take some troops and invade omi and defend it heavily. At this point it does not matter if you lose your other provinces in the southeast. If you leave them empty just raze everything so you can get some money back for it. The farm income from omi province is worth it at the start, and it's very defenseable. After that you can focus on building up your army and pushing the shimazu's south. Control and heavily fortify the provinces that connect the island to the mainland of Japan and you will be safe from invasion from the Mori's or whoever happens to be expanding westward.

I've used this strategy several times on the hardest campaign setting of Sengoku Jidai, and it's been very successful.

By Omi province, I meant Owari province.

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Originally Posted by Ordani

Attacking through ports is "cheating" because the AI will never properly defend against it or plan around it, and never does it to you without exceptional circumstances.

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I still don't agree.

I don't defend properly against it either, I spend my troops defending the borders and always leave the other lands. I have been attacked trough ports a few times by the AI, so why is it cheating? The AI and I both do the same, don't defend properly and suffer attacks sometimes.

I really hate those light blue guys, man me and them had one hell of a war and the reds were helping me but I still lost around 6000 men by the end of the war.

Im a Takeda man myself, ive always had a special place in my heart for those little black samurai! I enjoy their starting position more than most, as its a difficult decision to decide where to expand and who to fight!

I recently purchased the warlord edition as my laptop cant run mtw or rtw and, im having an absolute blast! Reminds me of the good ol' days :bow:

Are there any good mods i should try? I tried to remember some but my memory eludes me these days. :no:

Personally I perfer Shimazu as they have a good starting position in Khyshu.

I like Mongols in MI, as they always have a good chance of success, and the Hojo are too dificult in my opinion.

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I still don't agree.

I don't defend properly against it either, I spend my troops defending the borders and always leave the other lands. I have been attacked trough ports a few times by the AI, so why is it cheating? The AI and I both do the same, don't defend properly and suffer attacks sometimes.

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I play expert level alot, and I cant count the number of times i've put an invasion force together, marched them to my borders and suddenley found my enemies weighing? anchor in my home ports. (I say ports because; Mori is my currant favourite and i normally have about 6 ports very early on in the game.)

Also i only save when leaving the game and never reload a saved game if it all goes pear shaped. For me THAT is cheating !! As if Proud Daimyos ever decided to go back a few seasons! :shame:

Imagawa rule the roost- they have style
The light blue and the ninjas

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Originally Posted by phred

It's a bit of an exploit because the AI rarely does it, but
you can send an army or two by boat into one of the Oda's provinces that's behind the lines.

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Hey Phred.....thanks for the tip....I'm gonna try it.

I've only been playing Shogun for a couple of months.....the AI has attacked me behind the lines through a port.

I was playing a Takeda campaign.....I had a 6 star general defending my western province against repeated Shimazu attacks, while I attended to business in the east.

When I eventually went on the offensive with my 6star guy, Shimazu attacked from behind.....in fact I thought it was a good move. :idea2:

Can you guys confirm that you dont need a spy in the opponents port to land your armys there...

Becous thats the problem if i remember.

Your ment to walk a spy there 1st, and then he allows you to attack through the port.
But i beleive theres a GLITCH that means you dont need to have a spy there,
And there for doing port attacks without having to have a spy in the port is cheating.
As the AI dosent know about the glitch and will never utilize it.

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Originally Posted by Just A Girl

Can you guys confirm that you dont need a spy in the opponents port to land your armys there...

Becous thats the problem if i remember.

Your ment to walk a spy there 1st, and then he allows you to attack through the port.
But i beleive theres a GLITCH that means you dont need to have a spy there,
And there for doing port attacks without having to have a spy n the port is cheating.
As the AI dosent know about the glitch and will never utilize it.

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You can only move your army there if you can see the province. so if you are bordering it you can move an army to it. And if you have an emissary/ninja/shinobi/geisha/priest in the province you can move an army in, even if you move the special unit out the same turn.

sounds similar..

i seem to recall that the whole point of towers were to stop spy's and assains.

spys were able to open ports to your ships, and thus allow port attacks.
but a glich in the game ment that the spy didnt haft to be in the province,
and infact you didnt even need a spy at all. aslong as you could see the province.
Which is indeed a glitch (flaw in programing that allowes the rules to be broken.)

Or thats what i seem to remember

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Also i only save when leaving the game and never reload a saved game if it all goes pear shaped. For me THAT is cheating !! As if Proud Daimyos ever decided to go back a few seasons! :shame:

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:dizzy2: very cheaty indeed...

as for the port attacking, perhaps I had it more often because I've been playing (singleplayer) longer? it doesn't happen 'a lot', but when you play the game long enough it will occur a few times

Ninja ... well ... assassin ... yes .... spy ... yes ... somethimes it is worth investing koku in them ... opening castle gates ... killing emissaries ... enemy generals ... AND THERE ARE THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THE GEISHA !!! have you ever seen h7 ninja ... IT ROCKS !!!
can kill even 5 rank daimio ... h9 i my best ... never load ... killed Takeda Shingen .... ( by the way Takeda is my favorite .. Uesugi ... well to bad they become Date in the game)

What i experienced is that they are reeeeeeeealy good counter spys... they catch shinobi easyly ... ninja 90% chance if h of eneny ninja is not greater the 2 ... exemple 1 h ninja can kill 3 h ninja ... cool huh ? the man of the shadows shall not be underestimated !