you're probably right, I don't know latin well enough to get the grammar right, but the stem of the word was at least correct ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
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you're probably right, I don't know latin well enough to get the grammar right, but the stem of the word was at least correct ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
Fasces were a bundle of birch rods wrapped together with an axe into one bundle (they were held together with ribbon). They were carried by lictors behind a magistrate to show their power to punish through beating and through execution. They therefore represent strength. The binding together also represents unity. Since fascism likes to associate itself with national strength and unity, they chose a name derived from the fasces (I believe the word 'fasces' [this is actually the plural but the singular isn't used] comes from the latin word 'fas' which means something along the lines of 'it is ordained').
From the Manifesto:
-Mussolini defines "..Fascism as an organized, centralized, authoritarian democracy"
-"Fascist negation of socialism, democracy, liberalism" for the classes clash/mess/individualism they generate
-"A party governing a nation “totalitarianly" is a new departure in history. There are no points of reference nor of comparison. From beneath the ruins of liberal, socialist, and democratic doctrines, Fascism extracts those elements which are still vital. It preserves what may be described as "the acquired facts" of history; it rejects all else. That is to say, it rejects the idea of a doctrine suited to all times and to all people.....Political doctrines pass; nations remain."
-"The keystone of the Fascist doctrine is its conception of the State, of its essence, its functions, and its aims. For Fascism the State is absolute"
Check the historical and social condition in Italy after the WWI and you will find the roots of fascism. By itself fascism was an answer from an authoritarian point of view to the many problems arised in that period.. and history states it has been the winner in Italy, then adapted in other countries.
It was after, in a second phase during the 20+ years of government, that fascism tryed to create and generate an ideology. But the results were poor as noticed in 1945, once the war finished....they ended.
Common aspects with comunism? The totalitarian.
Honestly, I don't think Franco's has been the last fascist government.
How would you be able to enjoy that? You just like the idea. Unless you are at the top you will be dispensible and worthless.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
Facism is a product of failing alternatives. It is compulsed to die because of it's nature, and it is it's nature that always brings it back.
Sorry Cube but no. I clearly said communism, because I've been discussing communism, it has it's flaws. Don't try to put words that are not there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
Oh I think some one needs another target to practice. It's ok BP I loved everyone of your posts.~:grouphug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
Are you calling me an ignorant? Me an ignorant!!....Ok I just wanted to be sure.~:joker:Quote:
Fascism and communism and democracy cannot be applied to the mainstream public in their ideal forms and work. It's impossible. People are too ignorant and petty. Kind of reminds of the Backroom in that manner.
Facism->"facere"->"to do".Quote:
Wasn't the word 'fascism' itself invented by the Italian fascists ?
Just curious where did you get that?Quote:
Fascism comes from latin "fascia", which means bundle or sheaf, which was the symbol used by Mussolini, and the meaning behind it was something like "sticking together", indirectly also saying that this sticking together was intended to gain strength in fighting all others, more or less.
You're right, we won't sit back and let you take over. ~DQuote:
When Fascism rises again, and it will, the mistakes of the past will not be made again.
Unfortunatly scared people will always flock to the strong arm of facism for 'protection'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4453650.stm
Burn those ****ers! :furious3:Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBob
And, GC- why is that giant Communist star pink? You tryin' to say something about socialists? :stare:
This oxymoron is a beauty: "authoritarian democracy." We have a sitting president in the U.S. who seems to believe that is possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaolinoPaperino
Nice one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Hippies are to Democracy what Terrorists are to Facism.
No, no, no!Quote:
Originally Posted by Meneldil
Fascism and Communism are not the same! Communism advocates opression of people for the greater good of naught, fascism advocates opression of the people for greater good of the state! It *has* worked, the only problem is in the nations it has worked they later either got conqured by another fascist nation, or got conqured by another fascist party, or just got screwed after all the party members died.
Eg: Dollfuß's Austria.
EDIT: Also, Nazism and Fascism are not the same, nor is Nazism a form of Fascism, nor is the reverse true. Many people fail to realize that Fascism encorperates it's own economic system that is often overlooked by people, and the two are often clumped into one category. Also, Nazism advocates race above all, whereas fascism advocates State above all. In essence, they are opposites.
Nazism encorperates a form of Socialism (eg: Modern Europe) that highly benefits the Proletariat and lower classes, Fascism is based off of corperatism. Fascism is closer to Capitalism, Nazism closer to Socialism (actually, it is Socialism).
Both are useless, stupid, ignorant, smelly ****heads who ruin the nation? Very true!Quote:
Hippies are to Democracy what Terrorists are to Facism.
HAH! Bush is closer to a Communist than anything else. ****ing hippy that he is.Quote:
We have a sitting president in the U.S. who seems to believe that is possible.
Maybe it has something to do with Franco being the greatest leader Spain ever had? Just...maybe?Quote:
Unfortunatly scared people will always flock to the strong arm of facism for 'protection'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4453650.stm
Osama Bin Laden if in power would run a state very close to that of Facism... a theological version.
Facism uses terrorism to control the people. It is a bullies wetdream.
Heh, I like my interpretation better, although both are somewhat true ~:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
This is going to be fun.
That's Stalinism. If Nazism is diffrent from Facism then Stalinism is diffrent from communism. Communism advocates a society without divisions. This can of course be achieved by oppression but it does not have to be.Quote:
Communism advocates opression of people for the greater good of naught
Franco? Best? The man who overthrew an elecected democratic government who was pushing for labor reforms? The man who executed thousands of political opponents? The man who allowed the bombing of Guernica? The man who starved Madrid? Who crushed the Galician, Catalan, and Basque cultures? No sir, the greatest leader Spain ever had was the Spanish people themselves, when they ruled Spain from 1936-1939.Quote:
Maybe it has something to do with Franco being the greatest leader Spain ever had? Just...maybe?
Stereotypes are fun aren't they? Besides how did the hippies ruin the nation? When they stopped being hippies they became greedy and messed things up but that's beside the point.Quote:
Both are useless, stupid, ignorant, smelly ****heads who ruin the nation? Very true!
Yes because communists are firmly in favor of wealthy CEOs and the wealthy getting tax breaks. That is a distinctly communist belief. I think Marx even mentioned it in the Communist Manifesto in chapter eleventy "More stuff for rich fat men makes the world shinny and happy"Quote:
HAH! Bush is closer to a Communist than anything else. ****ing hippy that he is.
Now the really fun part.
Bugger the state. Why would you want to give up your individuality and self for the good of the ruling class? How does oppression help a nation? Hitler oppressed people and Germany fell. Ideas did not flow, there was no true progress and when events turned south no one wanted to tell Hitler the truth. Oppression does not, has not, and never will work. If you disagree please explain how the oppression of the people is a) good for the people b) good for the state c) possible to make a) and b) work.Quote:
fascism advocates opression of the people for greater good of the state!
Facism and communism are both unatanible in the modren wrold and for good reason neither work. Communism in theory is great but cant be applied in the real wrold. Facism is...well stupid
Actually in a "modern" world you would be able to make some born children in to drones (communism) or as an inferior race (facism), by alter their DNA before they are born...... ~;pQuote:
Originally Posted by strike for the south
Technically everything is deamed to end(or compulsed to die). Fascism reaches its expiration date depending on how much it annoys other states. There are dictatorships that are of the national socialist type(ie. Baathism) that have lasted for very long periods of time. So long as they do not threaten other countries too much they will not be terminated.
That adds another to your age, mate ~:)Quote:
Communism in theory is great but cant be applied in the real world...
If the guy can find a DNA selector, let him start a fascist reign.. Who can prove me that I have pure Turkish blood considering the fact that my genetic homeland is Minor Asia for centuries ?
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Originally Posted by JimBob
I'm not advocating Fascism, I'm correctiong incorrect posts ~:cool:
Oh, and the leadership before Franco consisted of 3 inbred hicks under a donkey. Or at least, that's about how intellegent they were. Greatest rulers...hah, you made a good joke there! If they were so great, then why was there a civil war there? I mean, if the government was so great, why would people need to overthrow it?
And also, why, if Franco was so horrible (which he wasn't), then why are there monuments all over Spain for him?
How did hippies ruin the nation. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN IN AMERICA? (or, if you live here, have you ever opened your eyes?) We live in the most degenerative, filthy, corrupt, immoral society in the west, with the exceptions of France, Canada, and Holland/Belgium (what, is there REALLY that much of a difference? Geeze) They caused the loss in Vietnam (strike one), the massive drug culture (strike two), and all those "open-minded" folks out in San Fransico and Massachusetts (strike three).Quote:
Stereotypes are fun aren't they? Besides how did the hippies ruin the nation? When they stopped being hippies they became greedy and messed things up but that's beside the point.
Kaiser don't forget Vermont, we luckily have a lot of those people here, although the rednecks and others make it a bit hard to get things like Civil Unions through.~;p
Eh? What did they do that was so unintelligent?Quote:
Oh, and the leadership before Franco consisted of 3 inbred hicks under a donkey. Or at least, that's about how intellegent they were.
The nation had just come out of a series of terrible depressions and economic meltdowns caused by the former King's poor handling of economic matters. Economically much of the country was in ruin and people were pissed. Some power hungry men like Franco wanted control and so seized it, convincing angry people to direct their hate at the current leadership who had only recently taken power and had not truly had time to turn around the situation. How did Hitler take power? Or Lenin?Quote:
If they were so great, then why was there a civil war there? I mean, if the government was so great, why would people need to overthrow it?
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And also, why, if Franco was so horrible (which he wasn't), then why are there monuments all over Spain for him?
Same reason there are monuments to Stalin.
We're slipping back towards monkeys?Quote:
We live in the most degenerative
That would be the factories that slip past the EPA and the asshats who dump waste. Last I checked the hippies were not in favor of pollution.Quote:
filthy
The corruption has been around since long before the hippies. I seem to remember a fellow by the name of Rockefeller.Quote:
corrupt
What is moral? I am firmly in favor of sex. I take the Hemingway morality: if it feels good when you're done, it is the right thing.Quote:
immoral
Actually they got us out of a hopeless war. We lost because we never commited to finishing off North Vietnam. That is the Pentagon's fault. They ignored the realities of the situation and adopted a strategy that was doomed to failure. Besides last I checked not all of the people who protested 'Nam were hippies. There were alot of average people who didn't know why we were there and didn't want us there. (Ball one).Quote:
They caused the loss in Vietnam (strike one)
1) Soft drugs aren't that bad.Quote:
the massive drug culture (strike two),
2) Drugs have always been around, hippies didn't start nothin'
(Ball 2)
OH MY GOD! THOSE TWO MEN JUST TOUCHED EACH OTHER! THEIR BEING TOGETHER AND MAKING EACH OTHER HAPPY RUINS ANY CHANCE I HAVE OF HAVING A STABLE HAPPY REALATIONSHIP!Quote:
and all those "open-minded" folks out in San Fransico and Massachusetts (strike three).
Dude seriously. What is wrong with gay marriage? Let them be together, you don't have to watch, you don't have to participate. Let them do their thing, you do yours, I'll do mine, and we will all be happy. Don't try to force what you believe is right and wrong on others.
Communism = Fascism
Nazism = Hardcore Fascism
Stalinism = Hardcore Communism
Which means Stalinism = Nazism
Which means Kaiser = Hardcore Long Haired Hippie
Now, as I said, there was no real definition of Fascism. Every Fascist dictator had his own version of fascism. There was no Fascism Manifesto written by a well known guy that was officially refered to as a guideline by fascist governement. Mussolini had his Fascist Manifesto (he never applied it anyway), Hitler had Mein Kampf, etc.
Furthermore, half the people who embrassed fascist ideology in the 20's were former communists/socialists. Many fascist ideas were in fact marxist ideas.
You easily see that the 2 have a lot in common, in theory aswell as in reality.
To answer the most frequent Questions:
A) The Role of Friedrich Nietsche
Nietsche is of course not a Facist. But his works have influenced the development of Facism, to be precise epecially "Thus spake Zarathustra" and "The Antichrist".
Benito Mussolini studied Nietsche's Literature when he lived in Switzerland. He forthdeveloped the Ideas in "Thus spake Zarathustra": While Nietsche discribed a SUPERMAN, which should be disciplined and focused on "Self-overcoming", Mussolini came to the conclusion this was wrong. He appointed Humans were collective animals and that there should be an attempt to create a SUPERNATION, since the single SUPERMAN would be unnatural.
Nietsche's Works have become part of the "Cocktail", how some historicans call the composition of philosophical and political Literature of certain Autors whoose works have influenced to birth of Facism. The whole Cocktail is:
- Friedrich Nietsche
- Georges Sorel
- Robert Michels
- Vilfredo Pareto
The Person who mixed the components of that "Cocktail" in his Brain is:
- Benito Mussolini, not Hitler
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To be continued
*Off-topic*
StB,
The logo in your sig is the worst I've ever seen, mate. Is this really being used by an organization or something ?
I think the rose is the symbol of socialism (read that somewhere), so it makes sence. Why someone would declare they're support for a fraud, a comedy, a phantom, a blackmail, I do not know ~:handball:Quote:
Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
Well, the figure is completely hilarious. It seems as if the guy paid a lot for that rose and is angrily sticking it out into my face.. Briefly, terrible..
Whatever.. Sorry for that.. I'm enlightened.. ~:)