the airmarshall incident has me thinking how far this little tidbit will go. yes, they're not related, but you can always count on some overreaction during times like these.
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the airmarshall incident has me thinking how far this little tidbit will go. yes, they're not related, but you can always count on some overreaction during times like these.
I'm an incromprehended indeed.~;). I don't expect you to comprehend me, just to refute me.Quote:
Originally Posted by strike for the south
Well yes that's common sense. However the problem is that Goofball stated that they should shoot to kill or not shoot at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
You can also miss the shot to the chest, you even can shoot to the lungs if that's your only purpose (security over all else).Quote:
Shooting at an individual who might or might not have a bomb, but claims to have one. On an airplane where innocent people are wondering if the threat is real - and I would image some were not calm and rational around the pilot, Knowing that if you miss your target you will hit one of the innocent bystanders on the airplane.
But there's non-lethal rounds no? You can also shoot sleeping dards.Quote:
You can question the judgement of wether the Air Marshall was right in shooting the man who claimed to have a bomb. But once the decision was reached to shoot the Air Marshall only had one opition - and that is to hit and stop the man. An arm shot and a leg shot does not stop an individual.
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Drop an aeroplane with a pair of small scissors and I'll give you ten points. ~;p
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That's interesting. Is this only for US passangers? Also I think that many means in there are surpasing privacy by a long shot, I hope that this doesn't last long.Quote:
Originally Posted by solypsist
Where's my 10 points? ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mouzafphaerre
I just noticed this is the most popular thread I've ever posted
I have a friend that moved with his other parent in Florida and he and his step mom are both pilots out of Orlando. I'm sure his family is freaked...
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M'eh. He's toast. I'm not bothered. One would assume he'd be crazy to shout 'bomb' in a US airport, like a few people have said. Getting into the medication bit cheapens the whole thing. Someone shot him in public - cut and dry.
Anyway, I'd like to see someone hit a can with a pistol at 100 metres. That's more than a football field in length.
It said what happened to the guy, but everyone was just doing their job, this was an unfortunate accident.
Soulforged - tranquilizers often take a few seconds to take affect, a person intent on using a bomb would still be able to use it.
Non-lethal ammunition like rubber bullets have the same drawback, they might knock a person down but that won't stop them hitting a trigger.
Most effective and efficient way of stopping a person intent on killing others is unfortunately to put several bullets into their head.
Just goes to show, eh? LOL, that comment really made my day! I'll be going Stateside next month and I feel safer already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
Not.
I can't help thinking that it is funny, the US crowd seems to be applauding their security.
1. There was no danger
2. The man SHOUTED he had a bomb
I mean this is not the dangerous situation. I'd be more worried about the fellas that is smart enough to sneak a bomb aboard to bribe security guards etc.
Yet, this incident is proclaimed as a victory for the US security system.... way to go!
That's what happen when a country live in constant fear.
Terrorist already won a battle apparently.
I can't say the marshall has done something wrong, but I won't applaude either. An innocent man has been killed.
If someone yells bomb and runs off Im not going to be thinking Im not afriad Im going to be shoot before he blows up. This isnt about its about not getting killed. This dosent show any ingounes by our marshals ethier. I mean I could shoot a guy that yelled bomb. No real intellgence there fellasQuote:
Originally Posted by Meneldil
We are criticized for having security that worked (yes, I know, the guy didn’t have a bomb but the Air Marshal was there and did his job) I have no doubt that we would be criticized if this guy would have been running all over shouting bomb and we had no one to stop him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sjakihata
Dammed if we do and dammed if we don’t.
I think I’ll take my glass half full today thanks.~:)
What I was trying to say is, it takes no security to stop a man SHOUTING he has a bomb - it takes security to stop the one that doesnt shout it. Im not so sure the 'glorious marshalls' would have found the last guy, do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by yesdachi
What I meant in my original post…Quote:
Originally Posted by Sjakihata
… is that I am presently surprised that we have security that is actually capable of protecting us. Someone could have had a bomb and this guy removed the threat with hast. I hear too often how vulnerable we still are, its nice to see that marshals protect our airports and not minimum wage paid security guards. Thru my eyes this is a darn good thing. ~:)Quote:
Sad to see someone die but it makes me feel better about our security, perhaps we are not as vulnerable as some people say?
The scenario you mention where the bad guy would be discrete is definitely the greater threat but at least knowing that the lesser threat can be handled is comforting to me. :bow:
I guess the Air Marshals need to have x-ray vision and the power of seeing the future as well. Jesus, some people on here are unbelievable. ~:rolleyes:
Remember your meds and I'm sure you'll be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
Where will you be visiting?
I think they are trying to deport him in another thread.~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
I have also heard people saying, "Why didn't they just tazer him"... LOL, the guy might have been carrying an explosive and people want to shock the guy!?!?!? Oh brother...~:rolleyes:
Bingo!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sjakihata
Indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
I feel sorry for the guy...but he should have been more careful and not forgot to take his medicine. The marshall acted correctly IMO.
Good point. Presumably real terrorists aren't going to be publicising the fact that they've got a bomb and aren't afraid to use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sjakihata
That said, there's always going to be exceptions and judging by the information released thus far there wasn't really any other realistic way for the Air Marshal in question to act.
I could see another passenger seeing something strange and calling the terrorist out. Like fuses in his shoes, triggering the terrorist to flip and start screaming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoffrey S
"Like a spear to the belly of the infidel bla bla bla" holding lighter and preparing to ignite the fuse, BANG! Thanks Air Marshal.
Umm, terrorist DO announce they have a bomb sometimes. The hijackers of 911 took over a plane with box cutters and told the passengers they had a bomb in order to keep the passengers from reacting.
How many times have the PLO and other terrorist us the "I have a bomb" announcement to take over planes?
If you announce that you have a bomb on a plane, you deserved to be capped. We put air marshals on planes, not physchiatrists. Do you think it would be a good idea to anylyze a person screaming they have a bomb on a plane?
Suspect: "I have a bomb!!!"
Air Marchal: "Did your mother hold you as a child?"
LOL, again you people are more worried about the crminals instead of the real victims. Some of you should be in therapy for everyone's sake. ~:rolleyes:
yes, you'd be surprised how many suicide bombers announce they have a bomb before blowing themselves up, happens quite often actually.
As for the Marshall, I think he acted appropriatly.
You have to have a death wish to shout Bomb in a US airport /plain.
When that man shouted Bomb, the MArshall had but one choice; to either let him live ( and perhaps let the man detonate his Bomb, which no one but the man himself knew he didnt have ) or to take him out.
He did the latter, and it was the correct thing to do, as said , tranquilizers would have taken to much time to work, and shooting in the lower area of the body whould mean he could have detonated his bomb.
If the man had had a bomb, and hte marshall would not have shot him, it would be all over the news : ''US Marshall fails to prevent suicide bombing''
An unfortunate event.
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Hey Adrian, are you going to be anywhere near St Louis? Let me know, we'll go have a drink or 20...Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
Generally there'd be more than one; presumably one drawing attention, the other watching the crowd. If a terrorist was serious about actually blowing up a plane, rather than claiming to be willing to do so, there's no way he/she would try to draw attention in such a way. Though I do concede, they would do so if they wanted to force the cockpit and having an Air Marshal onboard would seriously hamper such attempts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
If you actually needed me to point out the fact that there is no such thing as perfect security for you to finally realize it....then I feel bad for you. ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
That statement goes to the heart of the matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
As much as I hate to say it Dave, truer words were never spoken.
(By you, anyway.)
~D