Lifeguards bashed, Race Riots Begin.. in Australia..?

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Originally Posted by AdrianII

My point is we shouldn't let communities go without policing. The weaker they are socially, the sooner law and order break down. And when different cultures are involved, suddenly people have a tendency to go 'tribal' and blame skin for their problems. That's when the Fragonies have a field day or two. I bet you wish you were there and could join the fight -- good guys versus bad, black and white, the simpletons in control on all sides. It's a Fraggy-Frag world, eh?

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I find that higly stigmatising, I better report :san_wink:

Common mia muca, you never miss an oppertunity to blaim society when it are your precious minorities, but when white people riot (be it good or bad) it must be 'like a surfing community that didn't want to be policed for decades'. Either way it is the evil white man's fault, such self loathing doesn't help anyone, especially minorities. Maybe you secretly think we are just so special that everything that is good still belongs here despite the numerous problems, and that we are even that special that we can solve it by being very western about it. These thugs do as they like because of the space collabo- I mean forward thinkers give them, nothing gets wasted in the fraggadellic universe. Now it backfires.

I bet you wish you were there and could join the fight -- good guys versus bad, black and white, the simpletons in control on all sides. It's a Fraggy-Frag world, eh?

No Adrain , in the simpletons world you get crap like this......
it's the jews that are behind this, although their plan was that the Aussies should go fighting Arabs in Iraq, not the immigrants ones.
....Courtesey of Vanguard News Network .Plenty more where that came from , but for some reason most of the racist crap posted by the fascist morons there would be errr....unsuitable for a family friendly forum .
I am sure you are not implying in any way that when Frag says that he is going out bashing immigrants that he is anything like these people are you .

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Common mia muca, you never miss an oppertunity to blaim society when it are your precious minorities, but when white people riot (be it good or bad) it must be 'like a surfing community that didn't want to be policed for decades'.

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They should have been properly policed from the beginning, that's all I am saying. If surfing champions got killed there in the course of brawls or criminal reckonings, it shows that the place had a violent history anyway, with or without Lebanese gangs. Like I said, read up on it. Now if any locals could elaborate like they did above, I will certainly listen to them. Their take seems more relevant than your racial profiling, mi dushi.

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Originally Posted by AdrianII

They should have been properly policed from the beginning, that's all I am saying.

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Ya that is pretty easy to say now, you lefties seem to think that good intentions are a quality on it's own, and when it goes wrong at least you can ravel in superior moral standards. Nobody ever acted out of fear of being labeled, by people such as, well you.

And it got out of control, I had a dream, when will I wake up :P

well like i said earlier bieng in a "multi-cultural" society only enables these problems to occur, instead of people seeing eachother as cultural equals, we instead draw lines between groups, especially ethnic groups, which somtimes end up blowing out of proportion.

This is nothing to do with white being the problem, in fact the problem has been the ethnic minority gangs that over the last 10 years have progressivly moved in on the area, and others too. Did you know that in sydney the majority of gang rapes, if not all are perpetrated by racial minorities on white australians, also that at Cronulla beach the australian women have been subject to abuse from muslim males in the area, because of thier choice in swimming costumes (ones that dont fit muslim standards).

If you want to point the finger at cause, yes, you can say its the "wogs and lebs" or you can point and say its the lack of police, or you can say its the work of neo nazis, but truth all are factors, and this is the result of years of a tollerence for other cultures within australia, it doesnt work, you cant expect to have different cultures live side by side and not have racism also in the mix, for isnt it true that to be particular of one culture is to be of that racial orientation, and also selective and exclusive against all others? why cant and aussie be chinese? it dont work!

anyway, enough ranting, i know violence doesnt solve anything, but sometimes its the only way certain people will listen. BTW im not condoning it, im merely stating a fact we all well know

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Originally Posted by Fragony

And it got out of control, I had a dream, when will I wake up :P

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Schattebosje, do you want an honest answer? When you go to another of those fun demonstrations to 'beat the shit' out of immigrants and you accidentally kill someone. That's when you will wake up.

found a good article starting to explain the "why" behind what we saw happen, and what is happening


An angry ride into the dark side of mateship
By Damien Murphy
December 13, 2005

BARRY HUMPHRIES once defined being Australian as hating people from anywhere else. It is perhaps a good starting point for what happened at Cronulla on Sunday.

Sydney has long been Australia's most divided city.

Those who live in the eastern suburbs rarely venture beyond the CBD if they can help it. Those from the northern beaches think they have found nirvana, the North Shore knows it has, and the western suburbs take pride in their mostly hardscrabble existence.

Most Sydneysiders would not live anywhere else, unless a Lotto win impelled them, and think it onerous to visit friends or relations in other suburbs. Many also do not like strangers. Some play upon that dislike.

"At Cronulla, there's John Howard dog-whistling on immigration, Bob Carr singling out the ethnicity of rapists, and the anti-terror laws," said Amanda Wise, of Macquarie University's Centre for Research on Social Inclusion.

"As a result, Lebanese Australians are demonised. It seems as if our political leaders do not want to take a stand on principle for fear of losing votes or not attracting votes, so it becomes easier for ordinary people to speak out against a particular ethnic group ... you end up with a riot at Cronulla."

It is not quite thinking globally while acting locally, but most of the 10,000 who gathered on the Cronulla foreshore had been unconsciously affected by the stream of negative stories from the Middle East and Bali. It coloured their own experiences of seeing young Lebanese Australians daring to treat their beach like they owned it.

Sutherland Shire, nearly surrounded by water, is one of Sydney's most whitebread areas. It has a strong Anglo-Celtic population that enjoys a White Australia lifestyle trammelled only by the occasional visitor from across Tom Uglys Bridge, Blacktown and beyond.

Jennifer Cornwall, who is writing a municipal history of the shire, said Sunday's riot was part of a continuing problem fanned by the rise of Pauline Hanson, Tampa and terrorists. "Now they're fighting the 'Lebs', as they call them, but I have a 1974 report by the council on problems between locals and so-called 'wogs' that talks about parochialism and racism," she said. "Before that, the locals fought the 'Bankies'. Really, it's partly about protecting your territory from outsiders and sticking with your mates."

Sunday's images of young mates, full of alcohol, beating up a luckless few while the sun shone and the surf rolled into was a trip into the dark side of the Australian Dream.

Once the beach epitomised egalitarian Australia and was an integral apart of the national character. The surf took no notice of class, wealth, religion or politics, and the wearing of swimmers was always a great leveller.

They played beach cricket at Gallipoli, On the Beach was a book and film about the end of the world, and in Freshwater there is a statue of a Hawaiian, Duke Kahanamoku, the man who introduced surfboarding to Australia in 1913, seven years after Australia established surf life saving clubs.

The clubs took off after World War I, entrenching a military and alpha male ethos that lingered on Australian beaches until the arrival of short balsa and foam surfboards in the 1950s gave puny men who once had sand kicked in their face the chance to stand tall on the waves. It was no accident that Australia's first surf god was called Midget.

While the surf lifesavers visited other beaches for friendly competitions with rival clubs, surfing was and is about the individual. A wave to oneself is primal and as surf breaks are in limited supply around Sydney, the only way to get one is to have your mates run interference for the favour returned.

The tactic is called "localism", and it changed the Australian surf beach into a place where violence ruled.

Beaches at North Narrabeen, North Steyne, Maroubra and Cronulla are notoriously tribal, and although few have gone as far as emblazoning "Locals Only" - as residents did at The Pass in Byron Bay in the 1970s - visitors are hassled in the water, car parks and on the beach.

Clifton Evers, a lecturer in gender studies at the University of Sydney, said the dominant male ego was a highly regarded part of surf culture and the Cronulla riot was an attempt to maintain ownership of the beach.

He dismissed the attack on the North Cronulla lifesavers as the trigger for Sunday's melee, saying the surf culture and the lifesaving movement were often at loggerheads over the use of waves and there was little love lost between both groups.

"The SLSC movement and surfing is a male world grown out of control. Listening to the guys' chants on Sunday, it's clear the protest was an inversion of victimhood," Dr Evers said.

"They kept saying: 'Our world is under attack, our woman need defending, our way of life was under attack.' Of course, nothing of the sort was going on. The whole thing is an attempt to shore up the privileges they enjoy as gatekeepers of the beach culture."

Dr Evers thought that what perhaps the riot displayed most was the power of mateship.

"Most of those guys wouldn't have had a clue. They could be wound up by all the fascist groups in the world and wouldn't know. But they could have been there because one of their mates reckons the outsiders [needed] to be taught a lesson," he said. "And, you know, all those young blokes driving to the beach suburbs in their cars from the western suburbs to fight are being driven by the same thing - mateship.

"You hate who your mates hate. In Australia, mateship is stronger than racism."

-SMH


thats actually a good point they raise about our culture, mateship is thicker than blood, especially when there is a common enemy. Look at how australia unites when it comes to sporting events internationally (Ashes Series, Bledislow Cup), and yet divides horribly when it comes to national events (State of Orrigin).

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Originally Posted by AdrianII

Schattebosje, do you want an honest answer? When you go to another of those fun demonstrations to 'beat the shit' out of immigrants and you accidentally kill someone. That's when you will wake up.

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Beat the shit out of rioters(that had absolutely no reason to riot), there is a difference. I'd rather have you comment on this, 'you lefties seem to think that good intentions are a quality on it's own, and when it goes wrong at least you can ravel in superior moral standards'.

Because that is the problem, you lefties never take responsibility for faillure, in the name of 'wouldn't it be super' anything and anyone that isn't part of the stepherd wives community is wrong. And when it doesn't work, oh well we meant well, I cannot wait for the studies, quite a fascinating civil war.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

I cannot wait for the studies, quite a fascinating civil war.

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Sweetie, Alrowan just posted some things about the ongoing tribal wars in the area since at least the 1970's.

Beaches at North Narrabeen, North Steyne, Maroubra and Cronulla are notoriously tribal, and although few have gone as far as emblazoning "Locals Only" - as residents did at The Pass in Byron Bay in the 1970s - visitors are hassled in the water, car parks and on the beach.

I believe the all-white 'Bra Boys' haven't been all that nice either, they have two decades of attacking Asians and other outsiders as well as female police officers behind them, and their founder has just been locked away for murder. Oh look, and the first study is in:

Jennifer Cornwall, who is writing a municipal history of the shire, said Sunday's riot was part of a continuing problem fanned by the rise of Pauline Hanson, Tampa and terrorists. "Now they're fighting the 'Lebs', as they call them, but I have a 1974 report by the council on problems between locals and so-called 'wogs' that talks about parochialism and racism," she said. "Before that, the locals fought the 'Bankies'. Really, it's partly about protecting your territory from outsiders and sticking with your mates."

For me the thing about Australian mateship is the most interesting piece of info so far. Thanks Alrowan. :bow:

mateship?

Sounds identically like one of the aspects the beduin tribals have here, which is a pretty big problem right now.

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Originally Posted by AdrianII

Sweetie, Alrowan just posted some things about the ongoing tribal wars in the area since at least the 1970's.

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Ain't it great to have a handle, I like to mention bra's as well go figure, especially when they are not holding their territory. All you say is whitey's do it too. AdrianII, do you really think that such a violent response comes out of thin air? I am sure the bra's justify a compulsor- I mean honourable mention but aren't you just excusing?

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Ain't it great to have a handle, I like to mention bra's as well go figure, especially when they are not holding their territory. All you say is whitey's do it too.

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I'm saying the area obviously has a history of violence. Often such violence becomes an issue only after other than white people start doing it. Or are you telling me these hordes of rioters are law-abiding citizens, uniquely concerned with upholding public order? Ha! They are part of the problem and always have been, mi caro.

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Originally Posted by AdrianII

I'm saying the area obviously has a history of violence. Often such violence becomes an issue only after other than white people start doing it. Or are you telling me these hordes of rioters are law-abiding citizens, uniquely concerned with upholding public order? Ha! They are part of the problem and always have been, mi caro.

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Yes I do, well I think they are, and I think they got fed up with it. I took a little peek at crime statistics in Australia, and I feel right at home allready. Intimidation of white girls that just want to get some sun, gangrape, robbery and the occasional manslaughter, and most recently the beating up of some lifeguards. If you keep knocking on the devils door long enough he may just one day open it, if you don't want that to happen don't knock. These guys have been pressing their luck for too long, and now they have their response. I don't feel sorry for them at all since this will all be over in a day or 2, I hope the politicians will wise up and spend some time reflecting on what has just happened.

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

No Adrain , in the simpletons world you get crap like this......
it's the jews that are behind this, although their plan was that the Aussies should go fighting Arabs in Iraq, not the immigrants ones.

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Mr President, I admire your unfailing one-downmanship when it comes to the rest of humanity. :bow:

Here's to you. https://img519.imageshack.us/img519/...rechaun5ek.gif

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Originally Posted by Fragony

I took a little peek at crime statistics in Australia (..)

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Yay! I had been hoping for this, and President Tribesmen too I reckon. Fragony and statistics, never the twain shall meet.

Awaiting your expert aggregated factor analysis with baited beath, I remain

AdrianII :mellow:

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Originally Posted by AdrianII

Yay! I had been hoping for this, and President Tribesmen too I reckon. Fragony and statistics, never the twain shall meet.

Awaiting your expert aggregated factor analysis with baited beath, I remain

AdrianII :mellow:

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Well you allready seem to have a problem with interpetating the dutch ones, so I don't really want to bother you with the exact opposite of the world. President Tribesman is on ignore after our last converstation so maybe you can put your journalistic qualities to use by informing him as well.

still love you of course :san_wink:

huh? I didn't post this, wtf is going on?

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huh? I didn't post this, wtf is going on

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Maybe:

The first post was evil Mr Frag instead of good Dr Frag? (The "Stephenson" option)

The second post was Magritte? (the surreal option) or

The Frag personality has somehow imprinted itself on the Internet and is posting on its own account (the Gibson option, definitely the scariest)

C'est ne pas un problem! Heck I dunno, all arab stuff on screen, guess I will have to hold onto my head :san_grin:

President Tribesman is on ignore :san_laugh: :san_laugh: :san_laugh:


Yay! I had been hoping for this, and President Tribesmen too I reckon. Fragony and statistics, never the twain shall meet.

Well we have already seen that Frags interpretation of dutch statistics is way off , so far off that he used made up stories from neo-nazi publications to try and make his point instead .
So after such a failure on his own door step it should be fun , especially as the way the Australian governments(federal and state) compiles its statistics means you have to wade through many dozens of pages on crime statistics and reports before you finally get the relevant information .
And what do they show about ethnicity of the crimimals and who is committing what crimes ~D ~D ~D Especially against those poor white women that he seems so concerned about :jawdrop:
Thats it , deport the whitey they are criminal scum~;)
Oh but deport the natives as well as they have even worse statistics than the good old "white" Australians.
So perhaps he didn't use the Australian government/police/judicial or legal association statistics , there are other groups in Australia who put out very different "statistics" , can you guess who these groups might be :san_wink:

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Well, you already seem to have a problem interpreting the Dutch ones, so I don't really want to bother you with the exact opposite of the world.

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So you are not sharing your revealing statistics? Bummer, I was looking forward to the 'exact opposite' of what it isn't that you aren't saying.

"My, what bell curves, Doctor!" :san_cool:

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Originally Posted by Fragony

President Tribesman is on ignore after our last conversation so maybe you can put your journalistic qualities to use by informing him as well.

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Look, I had a hard time talking him out of suicide after you put him on ignore. It's early days and he is hanging on by a thin thread, so let's leave the subject alone for now, shall we?

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Originally Posted by Fragony

still love you of course :san_wink:

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I know sweetie, I know, but we have to stop meeting this way.

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

(..) the way the Australian governments (federal and state) compiles its statistics means you have to wade through many dozens of pages on crime statistics and reports before you finally get the relevant information.

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Didn't it strike you as odd, Mr President, that around 2002 the words 'rugby culture' in Australian rape reports were suddenly replaced by 'Lebanese culture'?

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Originally Posted by Tribesmen

(..) there are other groups in Australia who put out very different "statistics", can you guess who these groups might be :san_wink:

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You mean the numbers put out by women's groups that show 60% of rapes takes place in the victims own home and 81% of rapes is committed by a close friend or relative of the victim?

You don't? Oh, you mean those groups?

Well now, who in his right mind would take them seriously... :san_huh:

I lived in Sydney in the early 80's and there were then regular fights between Lebanese 'Christians' and 'Muslims'. I wondered then why they brought their violence from Lebanon (which was then in Civil War), to Australia. Maybe some Lebanese are inherently violent, and these then form gangs.

Could a lot of this recent tension be caused by an increased fear level instilled by the government. The recent home-grown terrorists (London Bombings, Australian Arrests), would have increased the level of fear of non-white groups, and in particular muslims.

It really is quite sad, that the "War on Terrorism" is now dividing the world into hostile separate groups, even within nations.

Didn't it strike you as odd, Mr President, that around 2002 the words 'rugby culture' in Australian rape reports were suddenly replaced by 'Lebanese culture'?
That strange Adrian as it seems to mirror the change that occured blaming Iraqis and Afghanis at the same time , give it a couple of months and it will be the Iranians .
And whoda thunk it in the late40s early 50s it was the Jews doing all this gang raping , then the Italians , the Greeks , Koreans, Vietmanese , now its the Lebanese .
Yet it is strange that none of the evidence has ever backed up any of these allegtions . Still there are always gullible fools who will believe any sort of nonsense .
BTW have you visited the VNN forum where I took that earlier quote from ?there are pages of the crap already on this "victory for White power" topic ...sad isn't it .

Could a lot of this recent tension be caused by an increased fear level instilled by the government.
Yep ,... nail ... hammer ....head ...you hit it Kiwitt , yet another small victory to the terrorists .:shrug:

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

BTW have you visited the VNN forum where I took that earlier quote from?

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In fact I did. But when I hit on the ad for the 'awesome nazi wallpaper' I realised I could never put up a link to their site on an .org forum.
I guess poor Fragony runs into this problem all the time.
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well it is in a way a culture clash, but in-directly, heres the best way i can sum up one of the causes


australian women, and locals at cronulla regulary get spat on, touched inaproprietly, and abused by young middle eastern men, this is a direct result of two huge cultural differences, that comes down to how to treat women. The only way some middle eastern men can respect women is if they wear all the muslim gear, and cover up. Because the aussie women arent, they are subject to dis-respect and abuse. Now tell me, which man will stand by while thier women get harrassed?
my point is, that a simple religeous difference, can affect culture in such a way as to see one group defending thier own, leading to retaliation from the other side. After thinking about this, i will make a bold statment by saying muslim culture has no place in australian beach culture, as they are contradictory!

I've been reading Aussie newspapers lately and have noticed that the Lebanese like to distinguish between the "Australians"(all non-Arab Australians) and "us" (Arabs in general it seems according to some quotes).

But this doesn't happen anywhere else in the world? News flash, bud - the immigrant women are treated just as badly by the non-immigrants.

if that was directed at me, I'd like to point out that there have been Arabs in Australia a long long time, many of them (Edit: not sure how many to be honest) aren't exactly migrants.

No, mang, it was directed at Alrowan. You beat me to the post, is all.