Read about this before. A bit strange, considering the Dutch didn't exactly fight off the Germans that much.
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Read about this before. A bit strange, considering the Dutch didn't exactly fight off the Germans that much.
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I will help you along a little there. The writing on the helmet actually means something along the lines of 'it's on' - 'let's go do it' - so nothing insulting at all really. Perhaps poking a little fun at the Germans since that is one of the lines chanted at almost anything Germany takes part in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just A Girl
The insulting part to some is the helmet. As it MAY represent WWII Germany and its 'Wehrmacht'.
Last but not least, here is how you order a beer in Germany...'Ein Bier, bitte.' - or - 'Kann ich' ein Bier haben, bitte - the underlined is what you were looking for.
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It's a bit of a complicated issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
Generally I would say that jokes about Nazis or Hitler are not that much of a problem - at least not with the post-war generation of Germans
Examples would be e.g., "Adolf" comic books by Walter Moers.
However, the context and the tone is certainly important. If "jokes" get too blunt and overused it can get a tad annoying
kann ich Ein Stella artuois...
That says
can i have A stella artuois ?
I hope this is not telling me to go ask for a punch in the eye and call the bar man a glass of stella....
Cos ive told a freind how to order something in welsh before. he was suprized how many shops he was asked to leave, untill he found out what hed been saying.
"fedrai cael rhiw hefo chi?" (can i have sex with you)
is what i told him to ask ....
when he wanted
"gai 20 embasy ac leitar" (can i have 20 embasy and a lighter)
so long as the text Is not to bad, I spose its ok,
Sticking swastikas (however you spell it) On the helmet. Would probably make it bad taste,
Personally The helmet to me isnt someting id accosiate overly with germans,
Im quite sure the origional designe of the helmet was more of a practical thing than being an asthetic thing.
Its a common shape reminicant of bronze age helmets.
And with the Tail like nect protector at the back It is Higly reminicant of a romans helmet.
Minus all the shiny bits and extra asthetics romans had.
To me its just a nother helmet Designed for a purpouse.
And now The Bleak purpous it used to have, has been changed in to a humerous...
well a witty...
Um....
A funny...
bah It sux as a joke really dosent it?
but i sypose they tried.
Any way the thig is a helmet. but atleast its not being used in a war any more.
So i guess it aint bad.
I'm not German (obviously) but I imagine the problem would be knowing how to react. After all if they laugh at the nazi joke will people think they are saying they think the nazis were funny? And if they don't laugh will people think they are thinking that the nazis were a good thing?
I mean, if an Irish person made a joke to me involving the Irish potato famine I think I'd find it pretty difficult to know how to respond. So IMHO its politer not to make those jokes.
An orange imperial german helmet on the other hand would be OK.
Do the Dutch still do chants about bicycles at matches with Germany BTW? I'm told by my mother in law that they used to sing "You'll never get our bicycles" in the 70's which must have been very confusing to an outsider.
Kann ich ein Stella Artois haben?Quote:
Originally Posted by Just A Girl
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That is not... entirely true. But Dutch conduct during the War isn't something to be proud of either, indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
That is indeed still a running gag amongst Dutchmen, yes. I don't think it is actually chanted anymore. But many bad jokes about Germans, football and te War have been made. The most current one is equating the German occupation in '40-'45 with the (West-)German 'Mannschaft' defeating the Dutch in the finals of the 1974 World Championship. Both are 'humourously' considered to be equally injust. Anyway, references to the War and the Holocaust are common enough in Dutch football. One of the most infamous is that of supporters of a team opposing Ajax making hissing noises as in a gaschamber (Ajax is 'proudly known' as the "Jews" by both themselves and others).Quote:
Originally Posted by English assassin
About the helmet itself though, it could be considered as a joke about the German habit to "rule" (at football, of course). The helmet itself is formed after a normal Wehrmacht-helmet that has in itself nothing to do with the Holocaust and has been worn by German soldiers since 1916. I do, however, see how most people could consider it offensive and really bad taste.
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Originally Posted by Just A Girl
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You would have thought that the Dutch had seen enough of hats like that......
Actually that's a bit harsh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just A Girl
he was suprized how many shops he was asked to leave, untill he found out what hed been saying.
"fedrai cael rhiw hefo chi?" (can i have sex with you)
is what i told him to ask ....
when he wanted
"gai 20 embasy ac leitar" (can i have 20 embasy and a lighter)
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Originally Posted by Taffy_is_a_Taff
Funny though.
"jetzt geht loss" meant "JUST GET LOST" in moonglish.
We fought them off for 5 days, we didn't surrender until they bombed Rotterdam into oblivion, and told us Amsterdam was next. Was a done deal to begin with of course, but only Holland and Poland tried.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zalmoxis
Why is that, most of our jews survived because of our reluctance to give them, think oktoberstrike, unheard of in WW2 history. It is a quite fashionable thing to say nowadays, especially by the lefties, that we 'misbehaved', but bullshit nonetheless. The dutch jews know better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brutus
Most of the german jews were Sent Out of germany To poland and Holland Exetera.
Thats probably why your jews survived,
After that they started to murder them as there ws no where left to send them (i think thats how it happend)
then later after they had been geting murderd. that guy schindler. or some 1 Helped more escape.
I never heard of Germany Activly seeking more Jews from oustide germany To kill.
I thought they just did not want them in germany.
They murdered them no matter where they came from (roughly half of them were Polish IIRC)Quote:
Originally Posted by Just A Girl
are there any documents to this effect?
I like knowlage,
And i dont wish to be without, it seems That I am a little lacking in knowlage on this subject.
This i can tell my self with the boadness of my Statement.
you know how it is...
"the broader a mans statment The narower his mind"
but then again
"if knowlage is an island Then the shores shal be ignorance. The grater the island of knowlage The vaster the shores of ingorance"
but never the less.
I like knowing stuff So Link me plz
:)
The Wikipedia entry on the Holocaust is probably a good starting point (sorry that I cannot provide more links on an ad hoc)
That is ok..
I m prety sure this has most of the info i need.
And anything i pick up and wish to be educated about in there I can google.
TYVM by the way
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Bullshit. I don't think we "misbehaved" as you put it or at least not moreso then any other country, but the fact is that the Germans deported the majority of our jewish population. We had top notch civilian records at the time, so it was easier for the Germans to deterimine who had jewish heritage and who not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Indeed. The Netherlands have the highest percentage of Jews deported of all European countries (with the possible exception of Poland). And it is a fact that, although we had a resistance movement (let them be praised forever) it started rather late and was far more marginal then elsewhere (even than in Germany itself.) I happily would discuss this further, but this doesn't seem the right place to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Germaanse Strijder
I don't get this comment. Belgium, for example, resisted the German attack for 18 days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony