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I wouldn't like it at all. But I am a hypocrite, I have slept with black women. When I see white guy with a black girl I don't mind, the other way around disgusts me, I can't help it. I know it's wrong, I really do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
You're an animal, Fragony!!! All kidding aside, you really are responding to biological imperatives. Trends which increase your likelihood of successfully mating (black girls dating white guys) will be viewed as positive. Trends which correspondingly decrease your odds (black guys taking white girls out) will be viewed as negative. It's basic, when it comes to sex, you're pre-programmed to believe that anything that leads to you getting laid is good, and anything that might slow that down is bad. Now, before anybody accuses me of defending selected racism, there's a whole host of things that are 'natural', that are bad, when it comes to human behavior. Revenge, murder, croneyism, nepotism... there's a whole host of social ills that are perfectly explainable as natural. You need to use your grey matter to think past your basic instincts... "WHY does it bother me that my black friend is taking my sister out, when given the chance, I'd nail his sister in a heartbeat..."Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
A very honest answer, which I appreciate :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Actually I think these kind of reactions are common - that we feel a "defensive" reaction when we encounter people who are "different", even if we know that these reactions are wrong.
In the end it counts what a person does (i.e. does he/she act in line with these defensive reactions or is he/she able to suppress them when reacting to other poeple). It's next to impossible to control feelings - it's a different matter when it comes to taking action.
I need to find a woman that hates all other races except for whatever the heck I am. Less competition that way.
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BHM is not government sdponsored per se, although most libraries, schools, public buildings like courthouses and city halls will have displays and events to "educate" people on black accomplishments. You will also see magazines, newspapers and broadcast do a lot of stories about this as well.
While working at the student paper at OU it always annoyed me that "diversity" stories took front page no matter what, so during BHM or Cultural Awarenss Week or Gay Pride week you would always have this stuff shoved down your throat, while the story of a rape and murder down the street or a typhoon that kills 5000 people gets a 4th page write up. A lot of non-college papers are like this as well on the small/medium town level.
Dave has a good point, and it's nice to see an opinion posted that is designed to create discussion rather than polarized entrenchment.
I agree that Black History is American History.
Perhaps its more of a natural male sexual thing with a bit of race issues when a white guy is disgusted by seeing a white woman with a black guy. Biology dictates that we continue our species through our own seeds and that natural need to procreate is more amplified when we see a man that is of a different color than us procreating with a female of our own skin pigment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
In honor of Black History month I have to tell you the most influential man in my life besides my father was SMSgt Brodrick Booker. If ever the spirit of America was exemplified by one man it would be him. He was a fellow Southerner, good Christian man. Man we would have long talks about racism and how our beliefs had changed through our experiences growing up in the South and then being in the melting pot of the military. He helped me as an Airman, took care of any problems my wife had while I was in Korea if she had problems on the base, and was the greatest influence on my progression to the NCO core. SMSgt Booker was a complete inspiration to me and I love him like a father. I guess in a way Black History month helps remind me of him for the magnitude of greatness and humility this man had but SMSgt Booker was not a black man, just a man like me who happened to have a different skin pigment than i did.
God bless you SMSgt Booker, I'm proud to have served with you and to have called you my friend.:2thumbsup:
Do you? Strange, but I think exactly the opposite. I believe it to be a racist thing (or rather merely prejudice) that is excused with talk of biological and conditional priorities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
I was not saying that it wasn't racist or prejudiced in the least. And I was not equating natural selection or thought processes being intellectual moral or acceptable. I was just stating an opinion or a possibility of why some would be more offended by black male/white woman than white male/black woman relationships. Am I wrong for trying to find reason in these feelings? I thought reasoning and looking for answers in life was the purpose of these discussions we have here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slyspy
I think it is often the parents wondering if they will be able to get along with the inlaw since they are potentionally coming from vastly different cultures.
They worry about miscommunications, the inability to understand each other, how their own child will be treated by wider society and how the 'mixed' grandchildren will be treated. They also worry how they themselves will be treated by their family and society... "Oh my god your son-in-law is white..."
People fear what they don't understand and fear can lead to anger.
Yoda is that you?:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
Slyspy, I edited to say "Perhaps" since I was stating a theory which I really don't "believe" without a doubt to be true. I do believe that there are more hot black ladies than there are men simply because I'm heterosexual. Is that a safe statement or would that be sexist on my part and I have to start pining over hot black men in order to not be "racist"?:help:
Easier than you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vladimir
Is Black History month just about US blacks, or are famous negroids from all over celebrated? It's actually the same deal up here in Canada, but no one not a North American is mentioned except Mandela.
Some interesting theories about why there are far more black man-white woman combinations that the other way round. One suggestion is that it is about status. A white woman's status isn't vastly affected by a relationship with a black man. Western society puts the two at a similar station. However there is a large status disparity between a white man and a black woman.
I don't know how much I really hold with the theory, but it draws the debate into an interesting avenue.
My girlfriend has a different perspective: "no black girl would put up with the way black men behave [sleep around] the way white women do".
I've no idea the truth of that, but seeing as how she's deen out with and dumped more black guys than I have I'm not going to argue! :boxing:
But when we're out no white guy gives us a second look. It's the black guys that really get pissed off - even if they've got a white woman on their arm... :dizzy2:
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Gorebag, I'm not sure if the word "negroid" is acceptable in Canada, but please be careful using it around here because it is offensive to many folks, myself included. I'm sure you didn't mean it in a derogatory fashion. Take care friend and please continue to discuss this issue in this thread.:bow:
Dave, are you also against the terms "Mongoloid" and "Caucasoid" along with "Negroid"? Quite usual terms to hear mentioned amongst anthropologists...
Does the word "Niggardly" Also get binned? I believe it's Icelandic in origin, but hell, it sounds pretty close to the "N" word though...
And did you know that the term "Afro-Carribean" can cause offence to... them? My girlfriend gets very upset: "I'm black and / or Carribean damnit! Don't call me no damn African!"
Again, just as some folks get offended doesn't mean it should suddenly not be used - freedom of speech, no?
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Uhm ... Dave was just asking for some courtesy and pointed out that some people might consider the use of the word to be offensive (in a polite way I might add), it's not that he started burning flags or something like that.
There are a lot of words that don't originally have a negative connotation but developed it over time in specific countries/regions through context
I don't see a reason to "ban" the term "negroid" - I think everybody can decide for himself if he/she wants to use the word, Dave's post merely points out how some people might interpret the use of this term.
Apoligies - must have too much coffee in my system :oops:
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Hee hee, for a moment of levity, let me offer my own insights on offensive terms and people being oblivious to it.
My mother is ethnically Irish (her grandparents were off the boat) who grew up in an Irish enclave suburb of Boston. My father was of Italian descent, same deal. When they started dating, and then married, of course both of my grandmothers were scandalized.
Well, I never knew the cute pet names my parents called each other: mick, harp (Dad to Mom) or dago, wop (Mom to Dad) weren't polite. So in Kindergarten, we had 'what are you' day, where you're supposed to talk about your ancestry and ethnic background. I got up and proud as day announced "Well, my mom's a mick, my dad's a guinnea, and my nana says that makes my sister and I mongrels'. You can imagine the teacher's response. To her credit, she chimed right in with "it's okay honey, I'm a guinnea too, and I'm sure most of us are mongrels these days'. Looking back on it now, I would LOVE to have been a fly on the wall when my mother came in for the next parent teacher conference.
Rory, I was just pointing it out for his sake and everyone else in this thread. I would have sent a PM, but i wanted to have it in the open so everyone knew where I was coming from and wasn't suggesting any reprocussions. The word "niggardly" is not offensive, but at the same time there are better words to use and in a multicultured board it might be better to use another word. Much like the Swastica, a Buddist symbol perverted by a sick man and ideaology, words like mongoloid, caucasoid, and negroid are to some derrogatory. But this is all symantics and takes away from the discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk
Rory do you have any opinion on the topic of this thread? I'd like to hear it.:bow:
Dave makes a good point. Many times words that are perfectly harmless and have no connotation become that way due to circumstance. The term mongoloid, for example, originally was used by anthropologists to refer to members of Asiatic races. But in this country, when I was a kid, mongoloid, in common parlance, referred to people with certain types of genetic disorders, such as down's syndrome, because of the narrowed eyes. Obviously, in light of that, a Korean American would not appreciate being called a mongoloid, although strictly speaking, it's accurate (no offense intended to any Korean Americans out there).
Well, I'm not American and have never even visited America (I've watched some American TV though...)
I think that to base achievements on colour is the wrong way to go, as to a lesser extent basing achievements on nationality or religion. Basically I completely agree with what you say to start with.
To be tuely fair religion / gender / race should be ignored. There will be areas where people are better than others but so what? As long as all got the chance to be there it shouldn't matter (I know - it's not true today).
A small example: in the UK very few surgeons are female, but there are far more in psychiatry and paediactrics. Should laws be passed against this terrible divide, or can we accept that perhaps men are generally better surgeons and women better at psychiatry and paediactrics?
Another obvious example of meritocracy is sport. thankfully no one has demanded that equal members of each race are admitted - the individual wins and we celebrate him / her, regardless of what they look like and where they are from.
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Just a neutral, anthropological term to me - Caucasoid, negroid. I think 'blacks' and 'whites' are strange terms. I'm sure you didn't mean your post to be patronising, likewise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
Hats off to the American mongrel! Besides, I keep hearing that we're all originally from Africa so what's the big deal? [Culture]Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
For once I agree with the DD.
Just a quickie, but I haven't experienced black male/white female couples to be rare. Good friend of my wife's is a white boy who hooked up with a black lady. Three houses from me is a white pastor who married a black woman. One of my old co-workers is the daughter of a white male/black female couple. So in my personal experience, it ain't necessarily so.
In no way did I mean it patronising. "Black" and "white" are also very simplistic so i agree with you especially considering the fact that many of us have both "black" and white" blood running through our veins. Thanks for the response. Good to have an open conversation with you and in case I haven't said it to you before, welcome to the Backroom.:bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by GoreBag
And yet, I managed to get into a LOT of trouble in University when I tried to claim status as an African-American student (on the pretense that if you go far enough back, we're all African).Quote:
Originally Posted by Vladimir
Personally, I would do away with race altogether. The odds are pretty damned good we all have at least a little white, black and hispanic in us, what makes us white or black or hispanic is percentage and cultural assosciation. Asians haven't been in the US as long, and they haven't spread as wide out away from the West Coast as other races, but as time and assimilation grow, they're joining in the cocktail we call 'America' as well. Give it time, and you'll need a centrifuge to be able to tell somebody what you are. :dizzy2:
I didn't say white man/black woman couples don't happen (look at the Willis family on the Jeffersons). I just said I believe that they happen at much lower frequency than vice versa, at least as far as permanent relationships go. This is based on my own observations and anecotal experiences of three ex-girlfriends. For all I know, I'm way off the mark and statistics would show the ratios to be the same, or maybe even slightly in favor of white-male/black-female relationships.
A few factoids to throw into the discussion:
- This all began when Dr. Carter Woodson established "Negro History Week" in 1926.
- In 1976, as part of the celebration of the bicentennial, the week was expanded into a month.
- Dr. Woodson hoped that the week would eventually be eliminated, when African-American history would be fully integrated with American history.
- There's a fairly devent Wikipedia article that covers the basics of BHM.
Despite all of the very good reasons to hold BHM in February, I still think it's a miserable month to get stuck with. If the tradition continues, we really ought to think about moving it to something more pleasing, such as May or June.
It can't be May or June. Many schools, especially in the South close for the summer in early June. May tends to be exam review time. My vote would be for October, but again, it may be that Americans have learned about as much Black History as they're going to (sadly, about as much as any other history, which is bumpkus).