The latest US Army Torture Techniques

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

That raises an interesting point, Wakizashi. Despite Idaho's thread title, there's not really any 'new' news here. What's more, despite what Europeans think they know about American prisons, the truth is far probably far worse. Isn't Gregoshi a prison guard? Maybe he'd care to comment as to how bad the treatment of prisoners at Abu Grahib was compared to the treatment of inmates at our maximum secuirty correctional facilities?

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Does it matter?

Does the comment "Oh, yeah it's way worse in our prisons" defend the treatment in Abu Grahib or cast a poor light on the treatment of US prisoners?

Likewise, if the comment is "Oh, it's about the same" comes up, the million dollar question is: Why does the Iraqi without proper paper get put into a maximum security prison on a standard basis? If this is counted into the penalty in the US, then what society is created, were people are punished (not detained) for not having proper papers and for looking "suspicious"?

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Originally Posted by AdrianII

The official Army report acknowledges that seventy to ninety percent of Abu Ghraib prisoners were innocent and just did not have their papers in order.

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Originally Posted by Idaho

what might be viable alternatives to inflicting pain and fear in interrogations.

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I can imagine how embarrassing it must be that most of the interrogations end with the conclusion that the guy is innocent... :no: Considering how many are innocent maybe they should do the interrogation in the opposite way?

Interrogator: "Tell me you're innocent! We KNOW you're innocent!"
Victim: "No, no, I swear I'm guilty!"
Interrogator: "Ha! Just you wait until I've worked on you for an hour, you WILL admit the truth!"
Victim: "No, no, not the waterboarding or being bitten by dogs! Please no! I'll tell everything, I mean EVERYTHING!"
Interrogator: "So spit it out!"
Victim: "It's just my papers that aren't in order"
Interrogator: "See, that wasn't hard, was it?"
Victim: "Please let me go now!"
Interrogator: "No, we can't let you go! You might be hiding other information from us! You might not be fully convinced to speak the truth to get rid of the pain until you've felt it!" Turns around... "Buddy, can you get that camera for this part, the kids really wanted some souvernirs and I don't want to disappoint them"
Victim: "aaaaaaaaaaaaa!"
Interrogator: "Not 'aaaaaaaa', say cheese, you're on photo! Ah, it's a little to dark in here, Buddy please give me that ISO1200, not the ISO400, it just gets all messy and dark."
Buddy: "Ehm, is it really such a good idea to take photos of this?"
Interrogator: "Eh... what?"
Buddy: "Never mind, let's get started. I'll get a few beers. Don't start without me!"

Apart from individuals in both the USA and British army who took photos of torture ,which were subsequently released to the public, has anyone else been prosecuted for such acts?

Or is it a case of only those stupid enough to torture would be stupid enough to photograph it in 100% of the incidents?

I would assume only a subset of the tortures are photographed, and only a small portion of those get leaked to the public.

So I assume that those prosecuted so far are only the very tip of the iceberg.

Meaning there is a gross breakdown in command or quite the opposite. The second option being the worst.

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Originally Posted by Papewaio

Apart from individuals in both the USA and British army who took photos of torture ,which were subsequently released to the public, has anyone else been prosecuted for such acts?

Or is it a case of only those stupid enough to torture would be stupid enough to photograph it in 100% of the incidents?

I would assume only a subset of the tortures are photographed, and only a small portion of those get leaked to the public.

So I assume that those prosecuted so far are only the very tip of the iceberg.

Meaning there is a gross breakdown in command or quite the opposite. The second option being the worst.

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Several officers have been removed from command postions but as for prosecution for negilence or abuse - I have not seen any reports from the prison.

THere was a warrant officer given a trail for wrongful death of a POW under intergation. But the court with with minimum sentence. Can't remember exactly what the conviction was for.

I posted on this topic somewhere else.
Some links which may be of interest:-
Former CACI employee and interrogator talks about chaotic conditions.
http://www.democracynow.org/article..../05/12/1420257
Culture of releasophobia keeping children and innocent in jail.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4339511.stm
Delgado video interview about the systematic breakdown of discipline, widespread torture and general culture of racial superiority (as opposed to the view that there are only a few bad apples). This 2 links are gems.
http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle7508.htm
http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle8441.htm

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Originally Posted by Sjakihata

It still amazes me that the US declare war on bad bad Saddam, goes in Iraq and does the same thing to the Iraqis, they must be speechless - metaphorically and literally.

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I guess that Means We need to take The tyrant who's runnig the US Down!

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Originally Posted by Papewaio

Apart from individuals in both the USA and British army who took photos of torture ,which were subsequently released to the public, has anyone else been prosecuted for such acts?

Or is it a case of only those stupid enough to torture would be stupid enough to photograph it in 100% of the incidents?

I would assume only a subset of the tortures are photographed, and only a small portion of those get leaked to the public.

So I assume that those prosecuted so far are only the very tip of the iceberg.

Meaning there is a gross breakdown in command or quite the opposite. The second option being the worst.

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Actually, guards at Abu Ghraib were under investigation long before the press go ahold of the pictures. So that assertion, at least, is incorrect.

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Originally Posted by Xiahou

Actually, guards at Abu Ghraib were under investigation long before the press go ahold of the pictures. So that assertion, at least, is incorrect.

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That old chesnut. Find any expose/scandal/etc and the organisation being exposed will always say "well we were in the middle of investigating the very same thing". It's bawls.

Those the latest techniques? These pictures are teh old.