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This is not how EB help works. We are not beefing up AI unit stats.Quote:
if you have archers and the ai has marines will be a lot harder too and challenging too
This is what Battle Difficulty does.
Play on Medium battle difficulty (EB recomended) and you wont face any "Marines".
I was refering to the AI getting 3 silver and gold chevron very quickly. Not the Difficulty of the Game.
When you play VH, those 9 of experience are huge and change the gameplay to the wrong side... i´m still wondering why did you guys tweak this.... Specially when they Human units lacks of experience..
I do not seem to have encountered these beefed up units that you say have loads of experience. If I've been warring with a faction their units get better slightly as the war rages on, I don't see any problem with this. I believe that the added mnai to the ai factions is a neccessary evil. One that keeps them from driving themselves into the ground to never recover and to never pose any threat to athe player. Also, the economic situation in the beginning provides the player with tough decisions regarding what to do to expand his/her empire. Decisions that must be made swiftly or else everything will go to ruin, which is something I haven't found in vanilla or any other RTW mod.
WE DIDNT CHANGE THIS. I dont know how many times i have to say it.Quote:
i´m still wondering why did you guys tweak this....
It cant ba changed (from what i know).
And again we didnt change rate at witch units gain expiriance.
well something happen, i have a VH/VH campagin with Scipii and i didn´t find 1 single army with more than silver chevrons....Quote:
Originally Posted by LorDBulA
On EB i found my first battle with only 10 turns from begining to have 3 gold chevrons and all units with silver chevrons... something happen.
Or CA tweaked the way the AI gain experience on 1.5 patch or something did have a effect on this...
If you want o can´t upload my actual campagin on 1.5 vh vh to check you out.. not 1 single army with gold chevrons... anywhere...
Again, they have stated that they did not change the rate at which experience is gained. They have also stated it can't be changed due to hardcoding. I have had no problem with this, and very few or no other complaints have been levied about the rate with which the ai units gain experience. Perhaps you should try playing on M battle difficulty, as is the recommended level. I don't believe it is related to the experience acquisition by units, but it prevents the ai from getting absurd bonuses.
Maybe the AI just don´t like me.. or they really want to beat me so they cheat even more who knows..
thanks anyway.
Could be troops that were generated in a city rebelling to the AI faction? Those ones tend to come with some extra experience. Peasants in RTW/BI generated in this manner were always 2-3 gold chevrons.
I saw this mainly on Macedonia.. it was year 260 or so.. and they had 5 or 6 full stacks army and 3 of them, had 3 gold and some units with 3 silver chevrons ...
I´m still thinking what could happen since CA didn´t tweak it and EB didn´t modded .
On 1.5 vanilla never had this issue before.
VH with this 9 extra points make the game No fun!.
I've seen this a few times. Most recently in my Pahlava campaign against the Baktrians.
They showed up with some three-bronze-chevron and a silver chevron Mad Asabara cav units. No idea what caused it. Only thing I can surmise is they retrained some of these units.
Incidently, I've come across this situation. A type of government exists in each settlement. An A.I. faction conquers the settlement and builds it's own government. Each of the two government types provides a +1 experience bonus, meaning they can now train +2 exp. units.
The ai is too stupid to retrain units. I think the problem is that since the ai always auto resolves it gets more experience from that. Due to the much slower EB playing style the ai is going around and crushing far more rebels and fighting far more minor battles with other factions, this racks up the experience. After you crush the ai's experienced troops you'll almost never see anymore from that faction if you keep the pressure on, just like in vanilla. It’s never been an issue to me, I usually lose a few battles because of it, but since they don't retrain their good units you can just grind their best down.
I should keep playing maybe they have the first few armys with high experience then the rest are normal.
also if you're playing on VH, the AI gets an attack bonus among other things. therefore more kills in the battles they fight, therefore more experience.
i personally prefer M/M on EB, i find it balanced and still provides a small challenge on this difficulty. no AI bonuses
I always played on VH/VH and i never saw this on RTW vanilla, this is why i´m asking and why i started this thread.
Of course it may be something missing here since DEv didn´t tweaked it, CA didn´t tweaked on Patches... and i´m not crazy :)
I think so too. This is something that has to do with the AI Autoresolving battles, if you Autoresolve a Battle, your troops are getting expierience faster, but are taking more casualties.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sdragon
The veteran units of the AI are in most cases very decimated, the more chevrons they have, the more people of that specific unit are dead (the only exceptions are generalls and units that were retrained (what happens very very rarely)
Units that have golden Chevrons are in most case as near as dead (10-1 soldiers)
This happens in RTW, RTR, EB and afaik in every other mod...
I have thought of that, too.
One thing I forgot to mention; in my case, these were full units of Mad Asabara, each with multiple chevrons.
It's not just the cav, Baktria hit me with experienced, full units of Pezhetairoi (multiple bronze chevrons), as well.
I do suppose it could be the result of merging existing units, though, after the AI autoresolves it's battles.
I'm wondering if you guys can do sth about "uberness" of experienced troops? Currently experienced troops are just... Marines:wall: .
check my pic, there are some units, full units with 3 silver chevrons and i saw many with 3 gold chevrons... full units.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mujalumbo
The AI must merge units... otherwise this is imposible.
Hm? I'm playing on Medium difficulty for the battles, and haven't noticed this uberness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cybvep
My pantodapoi phalantagies were doing fine against Baktria's experienced pezhetairoi; my guys were eager and victory was inevitable. The Baktrian general sent his experienced cav and hit the flanks of my archers... and routed them.
I lost that battle, but if I had the archers with spears, things might have turned out differently. The A.I. might be dumb, but you still need to use tactics and devise stratagems to defeat experienced enemy units. Also, things are fairly balanced as is on Medium battle difficulty; setting the battle difficulty to Very High or High would tip the balance too far in the enemy's favour.
Well, I think that the difference between unexperienced and experienced troops should be reduced a little... Oh, and this uberness is mostly noticable with archers and skirmishers, because "leathality" is not working for them...
Maybe if u play on Medium this experience don´t bother you at all, but when you play on VH this expereience mean 9 or 12 points more to each units.. is too much... this is why i complain so bad.. on the other hand i don`t find Medium to challenge, coz i have tons of heroic victorys over and over.. so...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cybvep
I may settle on High.. but i really want to see this AI experience tone down...
This is a common problem with RTW 1.2 patch, there is an uncontrollable spawnfest of brigands that train the Programmed Oponnent's armies so when you fight its armies are with 2-3 golden chevrons, most probably this will be fixed when the EB ports to 1.5 or 1.6.
Hellenes
Finally some reasonable explanation!! :)
And we can't cheat too. So in M/M EB become more difficult than RTW Vanilla. You can play in M/M you will not have the wish to add some money to your treasure or add some soldiers to your army ;). Try M/M that's the solution, EB is different ...
Autoreasolve all your battles. If you win, you gain exp very fast, much higher then fighting it yourself. I think it's because when you fight, half the men in the unit that do the killing die, and take with them a higher then normal part of the unit's experience. but when you auto to it, the kills are spread over all the living men after the battle, so kills don't get wasted on dead men.
And despite what many people seem to think, the ai does retrain units. Unless you can explain full strenge units with triple gold exp.
Also has a sesoned Getai player, yea their campain is pretty tough. Despite having all you did in your 2nd SS *your 1st doesn't work for me* and more, I'm still pretty poor. Probably due to the lack ports/trade items in your lands. Try building mines, there's almost a dozen in the area north of greece. I also modded their unit stats to make them more competative. Plus either the maks or less often, eprius/greece get super rich once they take greece and can afford to send huge armies at you.
Just Komatai Agrianai and HA the maks to death. Works wonders for me before I beefed their inf.
Units merging.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fondor_Yards
Well the ai must have selective merging then, I have seen 2+ small units with high exp in the same army. Considering how many silver exp units I have seen fighting Iberia and the ptolemaics, it seems more likely to have retrained them. I suppose it is possable that all of those units were just merged, but it seems more likely that they do retrain units.
I don`t think so, cuz the AI armies that i`ve witnessed in a battle against their oponents end up with full strenght units with 1 golden chevron, despite every unit in their army having sustained loses.
In countless sieges, I`ve fought units that have 2 warriors in it with silver and golden chevrons (and have been garrisons for more than 2 turns before the actual siege). If the AI does retrain ¿Why didn`t it retrain those units that are defending the settlement against the siege?
If it does retrain, hell, I would be extremely happy. It would justify my exploit of retraining units comprised of 5 warriors with 7 experience. :2thumbsup:
Heh cause the ai is too dumb to retrain it in time?
I think the AI should be able to cheat but only to make up for small things. Making AI units 2x as uber is not a nice idea. If i want a challenge then i war dec 2 factions and if i want a nightmare i war dec 3. So if the AI is totally incompetent at handling settlements then make it setllement A makes up to said amount of income and the rest is done with scripting. I like it when if i blow up half the AI's empire they are half as strong THAT is a good start. In RTR I at least felt like everyone was equal in stats at least if not brains and also the larger your empire gets the less money you get per city because of corruption so it makes troop management much harder. So therefore make the AI get as much money as the best human would get for managing each settlement but no more except on higher difficultys. I like being able to use diplomacy instead of 10000 factions war declaring me and then getting slowly wiped out by me one by one because they concider themselves to be so much stronger then me because the script gave them an infinite amount of money that they are not going to end up spending anyway....
Make AI even not better not worse.
If you want a challenge war dec more then one faction or play a hard faction or wait until your empire gets large and corruption starts to take over or wait until you cant recruit much due to AOR.
I think the most annoying thing about EB is how l33t the AI is and if that is changed that would make a lot of ppl happy.