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Those mentioned in the article are Apostate Churches that have no connection to God or anything that is good.
Just out of curiosity Navaros , what exactly is the true Christian church that you follow ?
Since you say that all the others have rejected their faith then which is the one that still has the faith ?
Good, good. No religion will ever work without accepting science and knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
That is simply put, what I believe the gest of Darwin's Theory of evolution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kralizec
Close, but I should've been a little more clear. I was more talking about the thought that simply because life is complex, it must've been designed by a higher intelligence. I wasn't saying that I thought evolution and the Bible were incompatible because of this (or for any reason.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kralizec
The concept of Faith usually seems to get ignored during these debates. God prolly wouldn't have placed such an emphasis on it if he expected Christians to try and find scientific evidence that he wasn't lying in the word he gave to us.
I personally don't believe in it because I have no faith in it. The whole thing sounds very unlikely to me for many reasons, but those reasons are neither the existence of complicated viruses or the evolution theory.
(Thanks for clearing up the ape thing, BDC.)
I believe you are making a mistake here... the "one unforgivable sin" is the failure to sleep with a woman (or a man, if you are a woman) when (s)he wishes you to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Navaros
From the holiest of holy books:
"'...he who can sleep with a woman and does not, commits a great sin. ...if a woman calls you to share her bed and you don't go, your soul will be destroyed! That woman will sigh before God on judgement day, and that woman's sigh, whoever you may be and whatever your fine deeds, will cast you into hell!'"
[Subtle thread hijack]
This one's for the Christians out there who believe in Original Sin. Man has Original Sin. In the Bible, it comes from Genesis, when Adam & Eve sin in the garden. Now, if Genesis can't be taken literally, when does Original Sin come into play? The first homo sapien? Did our first acsestors just develop Original Sin one day?
This is rather important. If there is no Original Sin, what did Jesus have to save us from?
Anyone have a good explanation how Original Sin jives with evolution?
Hope I have my theology all right...
Well, I cant provide the official line (dont know it), but Id think the argument would be that Adam's original sin would also be symbolic for the corruption of human nature rather than a particular act...
I cannot say that this makes me happy, this only goes to show that when you attack religion you only make it stronger, in one way or the other. Probably if the "designers" were the majority, there will be more atheist. Anyway, at least it shows reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis
The best summation of Original Sin I ever heard went something like this: Remember Woody Allen's line about "Sex is only dirty if you do it right?" That's an aspect of it. The yearning for debasement, the appeal of ugliness and pain, that's a part of it too. There's a part of human nature that abhors perfection and goodness. That's why we are capable of spurning God's love.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good
Anyway, that's one way of looking at it. Another way would be to look at what exactly Adam and Eve did wrong. They grabbed onto knowledge. They raised themselves up from the animal state to a slightly different place. So by that reading, the evolution of a complex brain is our original sin. We've grabbed hold of comprehension and reason, but without the grace and goodness that ought to go with it.
I'm sure one can read it in any number of ways. If you're a real stick in the mud, you could even read it literally. Although I've always been puzzled by people who do that. God is very specific abotu how we're supposed to stone to death people who collect wood on the Sabbath. But you never hear the televangelists advising us to do so. Why not? I would like to stone a person to death for collecting sticks on the wrong day. Sounds like wholesome fun.
That's in the Book of Flava Flav?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorba
My church doesn't buy into the original sin doctrine, but as for the need for the salvation of Jesus, the commandments he sets are seriously rigorous (don't lust, be angry, etc.) and there are plenty of scriptural references for all having 'sinned and come short of the glory of God,' so for us the sin and the need is individual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good
I'm also very glad to hear about the reasonable response to evolution. Many within my church are very anti-evolution and don't even realize we have no official stance toward the theory. Happy birthday, Chuck!
Ajax
I believe you are making a mistake here...Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorba
I am not knowing original meaning, so other rule may or may not be applied to women.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matthew
I thought that was straw man image of evolution created by creationists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
http://www.princeton.edu/~howarth/40...darwin-ape.jpg
I do not associate myself with any denomination, although there are many denominations who would agree with everything I've said in this thread. In fact, any & every Bible-believing Church would agree with everything I've said in this thread. If a Church is not a Bible-believing Church, then it is nothing other than a worthless den of lies & hypocrisy and a very grievous affront to God.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
Things that the Bible makes abundantly clear, such as that the Earth was made in 7 days and Adam and Eve were the first humans made directly and instantly by God's hand are indisputable for anyone calling himself a believer in the Bible. God's Word is explicit on all of these things. Anyone who would agree with warped delusions formed in the infantile minds of men (ie: apes magically turning into men over time) rather than agreeing with what the Word of God explicitly states is certainly not a legitimate follower of God or Jesus Christ.
Which particular Bible, specifically ? I understand it comes in quite a few versions.
100% of Bible versions are explicitly clear about everything I've said in this thread. :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Watchman
Who said anything about the Bible being the holiest of holy books? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartix
That reminds me of the good old "Chick Tracts"...
Apes, Lies and Ms. Henn
Big Daddy?
Incorrect. A percentage of human interpation states what you have stated. Normally it is the interpation of fundmentalistic idealogues who use the Old Testiment to justify violence against others, while ignoring the teachings of Christ in the New Testiment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Navaros
I have seen your type of message before Navaros it usually comes from those who bomb abortion clinics, shoot doctors, burn negro churches and beat homosexuals to death.
Navros, as you might have seen in the game RTW, the Bible is as much a political work as a religious one. Masses of content was removed by the Roman Emperor against the wishes of many of the Bishops.
So, not only the first centralised Bible highly edited, it has then got several current editions all of which again are slightly different, even with some containing passages others don't.
But having gazed at some of the other... things you're written it seems that logic just isn't your thing, is it? :inquisitive:
~:smoking:
In fact, any & every Bible-believing Church would agree with everything I've said in this thread.
Really , could you name one ?
It does appear as if you are a one man "christian" version of the Taliban .
Again i have to repeat, what gives you the right to judge other christians, YOU HAVE A LOG IN YOUR EYEQuote:
Originally Posted by Navaros
Not everything written in the bible should be taked literally, what did jesus say when his own disiples took his own statements literally and brought him a sword?
As an example you say that the bible says that the world was made in 7 days, well there is no amount of time alloted to the term day, there is when you speak of an Earth day or a Martian day but il wager that one of gods days is different!
Is this quote from the old testament? the new testament makes the rules on sex outside marriage clear, perhaps sleep realy means sleep?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorba
Is Navarros going to stone us to death for collecting wood on the Sabbath?
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Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
what a sad little world!
Is Navarros going to stone us to death for collecting wood on the Sabbath?
Thats a point , which day is the Sabbath , is it Friday , Saturday or Sunday ?
You would think the bible would make something so important absolutely clear , I can never understand how the religeons derived from the same book can have different days for the Sabbath .
Hey maybe its tuesday .:idea2:
I guess I must belong to one of those crazy little 'den of lies' sects; Catholicism. It only has more than a billion followers worldwide and the one institution dating from the time of St. Peter. But I guess conservative Catholics are really just hippies in disguise. :dizzy2:Quote:
I do not associate myself with any denomination, although there are many denominations who would agree with everything I've said in this thread. In fact, any & every Bible-believing Church would agree with everything I've said in this thread. If a Church is not a Bible-believing Church, then it is nothing other than a worthless den of lies & hypocrisy and a very grievous affront to God.
Things that the Bible makes abundantly clear, such as that the Earth was made in 7 days and Adam and Eve were the first humans made directly and instantly by God's hand are indisputable for anyone calling himself a believer in the Bible. God's Word is explicit on all of these things. Anyone who would agree with warped delusions formed in the infantile minds of men (ie: apes magically turning into men over time) rather than agreeing with what the Word of God explicitly states is certainly not a legitimate follower of God or Jesus Christ.
Crazed Rabbit
P.S. The funny thing is you don't even attach yourself to a denomination.
Sorry, got caught in the semantic trap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
:shame:
No, humans did not evolve from modern apes. But we did evolve (as did modern apes) from a creature that was so apelike in its appearance if any layman were to see one today he would refer to it as an ape.
Hey, don't beat yourself up too bad- it couldve happened to anyone. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Goofball
*wishes there was a better way to send sound effects to other Org members*Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
pfffffffffttttt!
I think you might've been looking for 'thphbthbthpthtbthbbthtp'.