Now you all have me a little confuzzled

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Originally Posted by A.Saturnus

Be careful when someone uses the word "liberal". The Amercian usage of the word is entirely different from the (mainland) European. In America a liberal is left-wing. Mainly what JAG explained above. In Europe though liberal is a synonym of libertarian, which is rather right-wing.

I consider myself progressive, which means that I don't embrace the past or am satisfied with the status quo but strive to improve society in small controlled steps.

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Then my definition above is American.

Conservatives believe that Humans by nature are flawed (hence the need for more controls, and stricter laws).

ex. generally favor:
A moral standard/absolute (i.e. the bible): to balance/counter the perceived (inherent) flaw in humans.
Gun ownership: (evil) People kill (good) people, not guns.
the War in Iraq: Saddam is (evil) a threat, therefore war is necessary.

Liberals believe that Humans are relatively faultless (hence requiring only little control, less possible laws).

Quite the opposite in views.

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Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good

Both Kerry and Bush appear to the right on the Compass! :dizzy2:

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This is because in US you only have different variety peanut butter. In Europe: peanut butter is not so common. You get many very different cheese, ham, sausage, marmalade. mmmmmm.... metaphor:dizzy2:
If you "zoom in" and skew axes, you get US adapted politic compass.

i think its very broad to catagorize people as "right or left" or as "liberal or "democrat" certainly in my case my views change from right to left depending on the issue