yeah throw some deism up there, thats where i stand.
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yeah throw some deism up there, thats where i stand.
According to the bible God is outside of time, so there is no way for us to be able to understand it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiberius
-ZainDustin
No. no and thrice no. Atheism in not a religion.Quote:
Correct. Atheism is the same thing as Religion-less, which becomes a religion in itself
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Atheism, in its broadest sense, is an absence of belief in the existence of gods. This definition includes as atheists both those who assert that there are no gods, and those who make no claim about whether gods exist or not.
I can understand why some people who hold superstititious beliefs cannot understand an absence of belief, as it runs counter to everything they hold sacred.
I used to be a Christian, and then I learn to think for myself.
Another rare topic that JAG and I completely agree on.
hassidic jew YAY!!!
I was trying to suggest that-Quote:
Originally Posted by ZainDustin
A- I have no evidence that Superman exists. Unitl I see him, I have no sensible reason to just believe he exists.
B- I have never seen/heard from/whatever God. By the same token as Superman, I have no sensible reason to believe God exists.
Until such time as God/superman prove their existence, I submit neither exists. And furthermore- If you believe in God, you must logically be inclined to accept that superman exists also. Which I doubt many people would.
I am also suggesting that to believe in God because you believe he has spoken to you/you have seen him/felt his presence etc etc is no justifiable evidence as to his existence.
There is so much of the human mind we dont understand, we naturally ascribe anything we cant understand to a higher power. Which I think is unwarrented and premature.
If I went around saying I am a real jedi knight and I believe in the Force, people would think I was nuts...what is the difference with any of the major religions? The only difference is the major religions have some 2000years of clouded and muddled 'backstory' that for some bizzare reason somehow legitimises it.
Not quite what I meant. When I said that it was a valid answer, I meant that since it's a fancy way of saying "I have no religion", it answers the question just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZainDustin
How can you have a religion with no faith?
I'm a anti-organized churches christian.
I love you...Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
And you too...Quote:
Originally Posted by IrishMike
I'm just going to summarize my beliefs in a few sentences.
I believe that the Christian Bible is true, 100%. I believe that it has many different interpretations, but in all reality it only has one true interpretation for different things. I believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, he is God's son, and that God is the divine creator of all things. 'Nuff said.
If you are one who believes the bible, but disregards parts of it, you aren't doing the right thing.
-ZainDustin
Do you believe in the literal story of the Creation?
Yes, because I believe God has the power to do anything he wants.
-ZainDustin
So god is a dictator!
So, the world is in your belief about 6500 years old?
I believe that when God created the Earth, he didn't create a baby Earth (Adam wasn't a baby when created). So in real life, it's probably in the thousands, but there could be some set by God fossils of animals that could date back to very old.
-ZainDustin
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God took a lot of time on all this didn't he?
He is divine, and outside of time. He's pretty awesome.
-ZainDustin
According to the literal interpretation of the Bible and Creationists, the Earth is 6500 years old. Do you believe this literally or are you interpreting this, away from its literal meaning?
Yeah if he iss real, then he REALLY pwns us all...Quote:
Originally Posted by ZainDustin
Yes. 6500 years.
How would you respond to the charge of explaining Carbon dating?
could you explain further?
You've said in another post that you disregard (parts of) the OT.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZainDustin
Do you eat shellfish ? Are you pro excecuting witches ? Do you always give money to beggars ?
what's the OT?
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZainDustin
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The 14C Method
There are three principal isotopes of carbon which occur naturally - C12, C13 (both stable) and C14 (unstable or radioactive). These isotopes are present in the following amounts C12 - 98.89%, C13 - 1.11% and C14 - 0.00000000010%. Thus, one carbon 14 atom exists in nature for every 1,000,000,000,000 C12 atoms in living material. The radiocarbon method is based on the rate of decay of the radioactive or unstable carbon isotope 14 (14C), which is formed in the upper atmosphere through the effect of cosmic ray neutrons upon nitrogen 14. The reaction is:
14N + n => 14C + p
(Where n is a neutron and p is a proton).
The 14C formed is rapidly oxidised to 14CO2 and enters the earth's plant and animal lifeways through photosynthesis and the food chain. The rapidity of the dispersal of C14 into the atmosphere has been demonstrated by measurements of radioactive carbon produced from thermonuclear bomb testing. 14C also enters the Earth's oceans in an atmospheric exchange and as dissolved carbonate (the entire 14C inventory is termed the carbon exchange reservoir (Aitken, 1990)). Plants and animals which utilise carbon in biological foodchains take up 14C during their lifetimes. They exist in equilibrium with the C14 concentration of the atmosphere, that is, the numbers of C14 atoms and non-radioactive carbon atoms stays approximately the same over time. As soon as a plant or animal dies, they cease the metabolic function of carbon uptake; there is no replenishment of radioactive carbon, only decay. There is a useful diagrammatic representation of this process given here
Libby, Anderson and Arnold (1949) were the first to measure the rate of this decay. They found that after 5568 years, half the C14 in the original sample will have decayed and after another 5568 years, half of that remaining material will have decayed, and so on (see figure 1 below). The half-life (t 1/2) is the name given to this value which Libby measured at 5568±30 years. This became known as the Libby half-life. After 10 half-lives, there is a very small amount of radioactive carbon present in a sample. At about 50 - 60 000 years, then, the limit of the technique is reached (beyond this time, other radiometric techniques must be used for dating). By measuring the C14 concentration or residual radioactivity of a sample whose age is not known, it is possible to obtain the countrate or number of decay events per gram of Carbon. By comparing this with modern levels of activity (1890 wood corrected for decay to 1950 AD) and using the measured half-life it becomes possible to calculate a date for the death of the sample.
As 14C decays it emits a weak beta particle (b ), or electron, which possesses an average energy of 160keV. The decay can be shown:
14C => 14N + b
Thus, the 14C decays back to 14N. There is a quantitative relationship between the decay of 14C and the production of a beta particle. The decay is constant but spontaneous. That is, the probability of decay for an atom of 14C in a discrete sample is constant, thereby requiring the application of statistical methods for the analysis of counting data.
It follows from this that any material which is composed of carbon may be dated.Herein lies the true advantage of the radiocarbon method, it is able to be uniformly applied throughout the world. Included below is an impressive list of some of the types of carbonaceous samples that have been commonly radiocarbon dated in the years since the inception of the method:
That's a lot of reading, if you understand it, do you think you could summarize it?
-ZainDustin
Old TestamentQuote:
Originally Posted by ZainDustin
Carbon dating is a way to see how old something is, like dinosaur bones are a few million years old and such, it's based on the radioactive decay of Carbon-14.
I worship myself and the good sides to humanity. I'm against all the large organised religions but that doesnt mean Im against all sorts of spirituality and mysticism... instead I believe that every individual have to find their personal god that fits them.
Okay, carbon dating. This can easily be explained from what I said earlier. God didn't create a baby Earth. So, there must be some things he planted on the Earth that began with a certain age, like Adam.Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
I don't disregard them. I only know that the biblical laws have changed since the crusifixion.Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
-ZainDustin