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Gosh darn, and five minutes after posting that I slice open my index finger with a knife. You see guns don't hurt people, knifes do! Soly its not a matter of needing or not needing, its a matter of why not if your not going to kill someone. Guns are nearly required for hunting now because of fu**ing PETA, so if you can't have a gun you cannot hunt. Apparently using a bow or atl atl is animal cruelty, my arse. Hunting is a huge part of our history and I refuse to let some liberal hippe take that away. People will die period, if the kid is dumb enough to play with something he was told not to then they'll just find something else dangerous to do. Like hey, play with all those wonderful chemicals under the sink. You shouldn't blame the gun, but blame the parent who didn't care enough for the child to lock it up. Don't try to use bad parenting as a reason to ban guns.
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*drool* mine too.
I didn't say you were a fanatic. The same way you didn't say I was a bigot. The last thing we want to do is stir up anger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
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Exactly. Guns don't kill people, senior citizens kill people.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigTex
anyway i think hunting is kinda stupid (congrats you shot a completely unaware and stupid animal from 100 yards away after luring it in with feremones that also dull its senses(sarcasm)). but i still say it is the persons rights to choose whether they want to bare the risk/pleasure of owning a firearm. i say just don't let um have the guns until they are proven responsable.
Which is probably exactly what the guy who sold the old codger in question his gun thought: "Why not? This old fella's not going to kill anybody."Quote:
Originally Posted by BigTex
How do you do that? the best thing you can do is run a criminal background check on them (which they do BTW), if any felonies pop up then they don't get a gun, easy as that.
I personally hate hunters who use feremones, that use enormous 10x scopes and many other things. Takes aways the skill from the game. That is why there is bow hunting and for the person who wants the real challenge atl atl hunting. Where you throw a spear to kill it, that requires slowly stalking the animal till your within 30 or so yards and then throwing and killing quickly so they dont get away. But apparently Peta prefers you to use bullets, so many states are begining to ban atl atl and bow hunting. I'm curious what peta will do when deer overpopulate their homes and begin to starve to death in large quantities. I also think the government should start charging PETA and the other anti hunting fools out there the animal conservation money's that are lost becuase of the fewer hunters. Hunters are responsible for much of the large populations of deer that are now found in the U.S.A. Couple months ago if I remember correctly the populations in gettysburg got large enough the rangers had to go in and slaughter a large number of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by master of the puppets
I've never been a hunter, but the ones I do know, see absolutely no joy in using pheramones and .50 Caliber Sniper Rifles with a 10x Scope with a range finder and Night Vision attachments. The best part of hunting I think is just being out in the wilderness, and the ones I used to shoot I did it with a Camera instead of a gun. I don't mind hunters at all, and for Montanans its a tradition for a lot of people that no one would have the guts to take away. Also, The Elk Conservation Society, and Ducks Unlimited are mostly funded by Hunters as well, not groups like PETA, and those Conservation societies have done more to protect the animals than PETA has ever done and work with less than 1/70th of their budget.
Most hunters (aside from those **** poachers that give everyone else a bad name:furious3: ) kill their animals humanely by shooting them in the Kill Zone, if they can't hit the Kill Zone, they won't take a gut shot because that will ruin the meat, and chances are you'll never be able to find the animal, and they don't like shooting them in the back because the animal suffers way too much.
All in all, I get my outdoor kicks by rafting or fly fishing.
The ownership of guns is not a problem. I am quite capable of sitting with a loaded machine gun in my lap and not shooting someone in the arse accidentally. Unfortunately not everyone who owns a gun knows how to use it.
I've said it before, I'll say it again, if you own a gun it should be locked away, as should the ammunition, seperately, and no one who is not qualified should be able to get the key.
Also, pointing a gun at someone, except in defence, should be a crime that incurs a fine huge and a lifetime ban on firearms.
Population Control.
Yes, I would agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
But what does that have to do with guns?
And the only way to ensure that would be by banning all guns. That way you would have equal access to them as those who wanted to do you harm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
The tricky part is that you also have to have extremely stiff penalties for being caught with a gun, i.e. automatic 10 years in jail first offense, and you have to actually enforce those laws.
When the social experiment of banning all guns begins, I'd like for everyone who is anti-gun to move to the united states, preferably somewhere like East St Louis or Shreveport, La., and enjoy the wonderful social interaction you will recieve from the crooks who didnt turn their guns in and now rob, rape and murder without a second thought that the citizen will be armed. It will be a real hoot, and in the meantime I will have moved to Peru for, say, 10 years or however long it takes for all the illegal guns to be siphoned out of society.
I've tried and tried to refrain from this conversation. Sadly, it calls to me with a siren's wail I cannot resist... "Trust the government... surrender your rights... you will be safe....".
Goof, Louis, EA, I respect you gents and usually your opinions. This is a sad travesty. But do you really think if he didn't have a gun, this 'poor old pensioner who didn't know any better' wouldn't have just put a carving knife in the kid's chest? I mean, he shot him twice, at point blank range, with a shotgun, because the kid walked on his 'well manicured lawn', and you think the answer is to put ourselves at risk of criminals? What makes you think Charles Martin would surrender his gun when you pass your laws?
Personally, I find Goofball's statement that everyone is entitled to self-defense, but that has nothing to do with guns, rather patronizing and childish. Tell you what, Mr. Smug... let me release a 300 lb. rapist who did 12 years of hard time in San Quentin into your house with your wife and kid relying on you, and you try to get the police to your house before he breaks down the door to your bedroom.
I've said it before, I'll say it again. Police departments aren't even required to try to prevent a crime. They are charged with investegating and detaining those who committed it. They are under no obligation to put themselves in harm's way to protect the average citizen, and most don't. If you rely on the police as the only thing protecting you from student rioters, drug crazed lunatics, rapists and the like, then good luck with that. Please don't tell me how to live my life in my own country.
Here's what I don't get... none of the 3 of you live here. Granted, Tachi could chime in at any moment and upset the apple cart, as he actually does, but tell me, when was the last time we 'bossy, arrogant, pushy' Americans told you how to live your lives in Canada, France or England? If we're obnoxious, pushy and arrogant, yet we respect your sovereignty, and you don't respect ours, what does that make you?
Typical , you have a case where some doddery old fart murders someone with a legally held firearm over nothing , which of course you cannot justify . So it turns into..... what if it is 300lb rapist is breaking down your door ???
I'm not equating the two, I'm saying one goes hand in hand with the other. You cannot disarm our friend Mr. Martin along with all the law-abiding, taxpaying citizens out there without leaving them defenseless to criminals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
We're just making the same old arguments now. I always ask you gun seizure types how do I defend myself. You always come back with "why should you be able to defend yourself" or "defend yourself from what? There's no home invasions anymore", neither of which is a particularly strong argument.
How many people kill somebody else while under the influence of alcohol, with guns, knives, cars and even their own two hands? How many murders and assaults are alcohol involved in? Lets ban alcohol across Europe and North America, then I'll consider banning guns. Until then, I have to tell you hypocrites, kiss my Ruger. :2thumbsup:
Funny my street probably has about 65 guns (including an AK-47 that was cool) and funnly enough no one has ever got shot! A gun is a tool and this idiot is stupid enough to use it on a child what can I say.
guns Dont Kill People.
Americans Kill People.
oh well that explians it all dosent it. You probably thought that was funny didnt you? Well its not. Quite stupid actually and bigoted as well. now watch this.
IEDs dont kill people. Muslims kill people
You cannot disarm our friend Mr. Martin along with all the law-abiding, taxpaying citizens out there without leaving them defenseless to criminals.
Well disarm the criminals then , that is what you pay you police for isn't it .
But then again in this case he wasn't a criminal until decided to commit a crime with his gun was he , just like those that go postal arn't criminals until they get annoyed at work , or the schoolkids who decide they don't really like the other kids at school and go on a murder spree .
You are stuck with it ,you have to have guns because the criminals have guns , and the criminals have to have guns because you have guns .
I always ask you gun seizure types how do I defend myself
Gun seizure types :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
How do you defend yourself Don ? Are you living in constant fear ? Are you ready every moment of the day and night ?
If not then the criminal has got the drop on you , he is ready when he is doing his "job" .
So all your gun gives you is a false sense of security .
That's right Bopa, and now you're on our list. Where are you hanging out these days anyways? :rifle:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bopa the Magyar
Or what will happen? The apes will take over?Quote:
Originally Posted by Soly
How come there's no Grateful Dead bear smileys? Or skeletons, or terrapins, or any other signs of higher culture in these here parts?
I don't live in constant fear. I simply won't allow somebody else to march into my home and harm my loved ones. You and the rest of the gun seizing types seem to have bizarre desire to force me to. You know what I have to say? Don't like America, don't like our crazy, wicked laws? Stay the hell out. I've never advocated for the right to tell the Irish how to live within their own boundaries, why do you feel free to order us around?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
i APOLOGISE SFTS
This is far more intelligent.
GUNS DONT KILL PEOPLE.
PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.
You and the rest of the gun seizing types
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There you go again :no:
I simply won't allow somebody else to march into my home and harm my loved ones.
Oh they are going to march in , maybe they will bring a big brass band to announce their arrival even better .
You really don't have much experience with criminals do you .:inquisitive:
Don't like America, don't like our crazy, wicked laws? Stay the hell out.
Lame Don , totally lame .
I would chastize him, but he is angry at the PC movement...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by strike for the south
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What the hell? "chastize" is spelled "chastise" on this dictionary...
Proof that society is going downhill...:no:
Well, firstQuote:
Originally Posted by strike for the south
LOL.
Anyway, Muslims do kill people, so do Christians, Jews and Buddhists and who knows how many people of other random religious faiths.
And guns don't kill people.
I do.
Is there a reason you're picking and choosing which parts of my post you'll answer? No word on why it's okay to allow drunks to beat their kids? Any explanation why you should have the right to dictate domestic policy in America?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
As for your latest round, as matter of fact, I've had people break into my apartment twice in my life, both times when I lived in Providence. One time they ran when they realized I was home, the 2nd time, they didn't. It was after the 2nd time that I decided to buy a gun and I've never regretted the experience.
Your cute little jokes about marching bands are funny. You're very entertaining Tribesman, but frankly, i find your arguments pretty weak, as I'm sure you find mine. I don't understand why you feel that you have the right to order people to be defenseless in their homes in another country, and I'm sure you're wondering how dare I question your infinite wisdom. You're a nice enough guy, so I'm gonna drop this. Go ahead with your cheesy jokes and petty insults though. You seem to need them.
You bleeding heart get off your high horse. The point is its a tool and Bopas statement was bigoted and uncalled forQuote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
You just don't get it at all do you Don .
No word on why it's okay to allow drunks to beat their kids?
My my , better call the doctor , your lameness has got to the stage where you are seriously crippled .
Tribesman - you can't disarm criminals before you know who they are. You sound like the government has a list titled "Dangerous - Must Disarm" with all the people who shouldn't have guns on it. It doesn't work that way. That Martin guy didn't have a history, from looking at the article. How could we have known he'd flip out like that? How could we have prevented that without confiscating all guns and hoping that he obeyed such an edict?