Pornography

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Originally Posted by Viking

Reality is reality. We need more realists, not pathetic people. The earlier exposed for it, the more "natural" sex will be for people.

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Only if we make porn more natural then. Stuff where the girl is more than just another collection of holes that need to be filled. For most people at least, there is a romantic dimension to sex, porn clearly seperates sex from love, I'm not sure this is a good message to send to the kids.

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Heh. I read about a study that showed that many women had fantasies of being "raped"(not a real rape, of course) by their boyfriend/husband. Don`t remember how many, tho.

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I read that it's the most common fantasy amongst women. However, this doesn't mean they actually want to be raped. It's probably a fantasy about someone having an uncontrollable desire for them.

Heard a weird story today...

It was a funny story then, in that context, but now that I think about it, I do not want to see that. Sex-Ed in school is bad enough...

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Originally Posted by doc_bean

Only if we make porn more natural then. Stuff where the girl is more than just another collection of holes that need to be filled. For most people at least, there is a romantic dimension to sex, porn clearly seperates sex from love, I'm not sure this is a good message to send to the kids.

I read that it's the most common fantasy amongst women. However, this doesn't mean they actually want to be raped. It's probably a fantasy about someone having an uncontrollable desire for them.

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I separate love and sex all the time. In fact, I prefer sex without the lovey-dovey sentiments.

On the rape fantasy issue, I'd say it's a case of preference for domination. Obviously, they don't want to be tied up and tortured; it's more of an animal kind of desire.

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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

removed quote of a graphic description that has been edited out by the original poster (edit by Ser Clegane)

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Yeah, I've seen that. Japan is undergoing a period of cultural rebellion right now, and sexual deviance is one of the main mediums. You might also be able to find on that there internet a video of a Japanese women struggling to keep a big snake inside of her when it clearly wants to leave.

I'd like to remind you all that this is a PG13-forum.

Please keep this in mind when you feel the urge to post detailed descriptions of any pornographic videos you might have watched.

Thanks

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Originally Posted by mercian billman

The problem is most people aren't willing to spend $40-$50 to buy high quality porn and instead end up downloading low quality porn.

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:idea: There should be government-funded programs to make high quality porn available to everyone :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Viking

Heh. I read about a study that showed that many women had fantasies of being "raped"(not a real rape, of course) by their boyfriend/husband. Don`t remember how many, tho.

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If I remember correctly it is one in three, and it was something like "being take by force (Not violently), without control" or some such. Damn that is hard to explain without the wording right in front of you

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Originally Posted by Ser Clegane

I'd like to remind you all that this is a PG13-forum.

Please keep this in mind when you feel the urge to post detailed descriptions of any pornographic videos you might have watched.

Thanks

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Sorry, it is edited out. :bow:

And, errm no thanks GoreBag...*squirms*

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Originally Posted by GoreBag

I separate love and sex all the time. In fact, I prefer sex without the lovey-dovey sentiments.

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So if you are in a relationship you wouldn't mind your girlfriend sleeping with someone else ?

Sex is still tied to a relationship for most people, and/or vice versa. One night stands aren't a bad thing, but they're usually an 'in-between relationships' solution for most people.

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Originally Posted by GoreBag

I separate love and sex all the time. In fact, I prefer sex without the lovey-dovey sentiments.

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Few women do, but porn presents all women as liking that. This would lead to false expectations.

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On the rape fantasy issue, I'd say it's a case of preference for domination. Obviously, they don't want to be tied up and tortured; it's more of an animal kind of desire.

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Undoubtedly many women do like that. However you can say "many women" for almost anything. It's not the kind of thing you can assume to be true, it needs to be asked about.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Haha, certainly not. She's pretty wacko like I said. She did make some good points about images in the media causing anorexia and that kind of thing. I always thought that porn didn't have any effect, but recently on another forum I saw several guys claiming that "all women want to be dominated in the bedroom even if they don't admit it". I can't tell for sure where that idea comes from, porn would seem the logical place.

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Good, then we are in somewhat of an agreement and I apologise for thinking that you were agreeing with her. I thought you agreed because you said "learned". She seems to be a bit on the extreme but I do find pornography very detrimental to the respect for women and, along with Hollywood, entertainment, etc, it puts great stress on women to be "hot" or sexual objects. Some women may want to be dominated in the bedroom but the way porn and many other entertainment outlets there are, you could almost assume that the majority want this sort of treatment. Women have come a long way through many struggled to be recognised by society as something more than sperm dumpsters and house slaves, its unfortunate that there are industries actively promoting the idea that women "want" to be treated like crap. My son is 3 and my daughter is 1 years old. I fear for what sort of influence these outside factors will have on them.

That "one in three women will be raped" figure has been debunked many, many times. I'm amazed people are still saying it. The one in three statistic began with the Ms. Magazine Campus Project on Sexual Assault directed by Mary Koss. In her initial findings, Koss asserted that 27 percent of college women had been victims of rape or attempted rape an average of two times between the ages of fourteen and twenty-one.

Some of the questions on the Koss survey that resulted in that inflated figure:

• "Have you had a man attempt sexual intercourse when you didn't want to by giving you alcohol or drugs, but intercourse did not (emphasis added) occur?"
• "Have you had sexual intercourse when you didn't want to because a man gave you alcohol or drugs?"

More importantly, only 27 percent of the women Koss says were raped agreed that they had been raped. If the "victim's" perception means anything, then this greatly deflates Koss's original assertion.

I guess one in three is catchy, and so we will always be stuck with this B.S. statistic.

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Originally Posted by Lemur

That "one in three women will be raped" figure has been debunked many, many times. I'm amazed people are still saying it. The one in three statistic began with the Ms. Magazine Campus Project on Sexual Assault directed by Mary Koss. In her initial findings, Koss asserted that 27 percent of college women had been victims of rape or attempted rape an average of two times between the ages of fourteen and twenty-one.

Some of the questions on the Koss survey that resulted in that inflated figure:

• "Have you had a man attempt sexual intercourse when you didn't want to by giving you alcohol or drugs, but intercourse did not (emphasis added) occur?"
• "Have you had sexual intercourse when you didn't want to because a man gave you alcohol or drugs?"

More importantly, only 27 percent of the women Koss says were raped agreed that they had been raped. If the "victim's" perception means anything, then this greatly deflates Koss's original assertion.

I guess one in three is catchy, and so we will always be stuck with this B.S. statistic.

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Thanks. It seemed really fishy to me. 27 percent of 27 percent would be 7.3 percent, or 1 in 14.

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Originally Posted by doc_bean

So if you are in a relationship you wouldn't mind your girlfriend sleeping with someone else ?

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Correct. I don't believe in monogamy and I don't expect her to behave differently from how I do, but I don't expect her to be the same, either. She can do what she wants; I don't own her.

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Originally Posted by Lemur

That "one in three women will be raped" figure has been debunked many, many times. I'm amazed people are still saying it. The one in three statistic began with the Ms. Magazine Campus Project on Sexual Assault directed by Mary Koss. In her initial findings, Koss asserted that 27 percent of college women had been victims of rape or attempted rape an average of two times between the ages of fourteen and twenty-one.

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I find one-in-three less believeable if one pictures a menacing stranger in a dark alley. But if one considers date rape, that is rape by someone well-known to the victim, I can see the figure being quite high.

A line has to be drawn between what is coercion and what is rape or attempted rape.

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Originally Posted by doc_bean

Only if we make porn more natural then. Stuff where the girl is more than just another collection of holes that need to be filled. For most people at least, there is a romantic dimension to sex, porn clearly seperates sex from love, I'm not sure this is a good message to send to the kids.

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Yeah, I meant sex and not porn. I didn`t see the word 'porn' in the part that I quoted, my 'stake. Lets call it erotic videos instead..

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I read that it's the most common fantasy amongst women. However, this doesn't mean they actually want to be raped. It's probably a fantasy about someone having an uncontrollable desire for them.

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Defintions. :juggle2:

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Originally Posted by aw89

If I remember correctly it is one in three, and it was something like "being take by force (Not violently), without control" or some such. Damn that is hard to explain without the wording right in front of you

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Which about equals "rape". 1/3 sounds quite many, but then again, I think the women had to submit their phantasies somewhere, they didn`t get the survey by doing nothing, if you know where I`m going. It still might representative, tho.

You also have to consider what is meant by "fantasies". People "fantasies" some very strange thing, but I seriously doubt that a third of women fantasies in the context of actually wanting to be raped. Much like people fantasizing about killing someone thats done them a percieved wrong; this inner desire may not be as strong as a worded study might make it out to be.

Fantasies are just that, fantasies. No woman actually wants to be raped for real, ever. Rape fantasies don't really represent what rape is really like anyways, it is more a masochistic fantasy, and definetly less brutal than real life.

Sexual release is real and if repressed for too long, from say, absence of porn, rape is certain in some people. I think the example with the little kid is misleading.

One in fourteen is still sadly high. How many 'predators' are out there anyway?:no:

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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

You also have to consider what is meant by "fantasies". People "fantasies" some very strange thing, but I seriously doubt that a third of women fantasies in the context of actually wanting to be raped. Much like people fantasizing about killing someone thats done them a percieved wrong; this inner desire may not be as strong as a worded study might make it out to be.

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Well, I for one, certainly have not fantazised about killing people.... I`ve had fantasies, but none of them has ever come to live; not because they`re absurd, but because I`ve never had the opportunity.

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Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince

Fantasies are just that, fantasies. No woman actually wants to be raped for real, ever. Rape fantasies don't really represent what rape is really like anyways, it is more a masochistic fantasy, and definetly less brutal than real life.

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Ok, it`s not rape, then. Whateva.

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Originally Posted by Viking

Well, I for one, certainly have not fantazised about killing people.... I`ve had fantasies, but none of them has ever come to live; not because they`re absurd, but because I`ve never had the opportunity..

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Good for you, but I don't think you see my point but when it comes to things that involve peoples inner thoughts and the process in which they come to conclusions between fantasies and taking action on these thoughts, it gets very confusing. That's why I beat off to pictures of Ruth Bader Ginsberg.:laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince

Fantasies are just that, fantasies. No woman actually wants to be raped for real, ever. Rape fantasies don't really represent what rape is really like anyways, it is more a masochistic fantasy, and definetly less brutal than real life.

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The 'rape' fantasies are quite simply fundamental to the human mind (it is quite popular with men too). For a woman is the 'danger' of an uncontrolled event, often with an unknown/unseen man, that results in something nice. This actually looks a whole lot like what porn often is like. Strange huh?

Anyway, the natural explaination for this is the fact that the woman also desires to have different partners, at least deep down. I don't know if any studies have been made into when these fantasies pop up in the female mind, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were most prevalent if it was near when she was ovulating (the period where she is most likely to be unfaithful to a partner, and find strange men most attractive).

The male 'rape' fantasy is not a single fantasy, but a colelction of domination fantasies. Ranging from just being in complete control to outright violence (real rape).
The frequency is also harder to determine. Is it a fantasy when an angry man goes for himself and mutters in is angry mind something about 'teaching her a lesson' (with rape in mind) but never acting on it. Much like most men do about physical responses to jerks. Or is it merely a product of a situation that is unusual for the person?
Also is it truly a 'rape' fantasy when a young man, deeply infatuated with a girl, thinks of having his way with her, but the thoughts never comes close to consider her position in it? Isn't that more an egocentric fantasy rather than rape (though the event if ever carried out could not be anything but rape)?

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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

Good for you, but I don't think you see my point but when it comes to things that involve peoples inner thoughts and the process in which they come to conclusions between fantasies and taking action on these thoughts, it gets very confusing. That's why I beat off to pictures of Ruth Bader Ginsberg.:laugh4:

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I know where you`re going, but if you`ve born the same fantasy long enough, you might want more and more to make it to reality. Also the subconsciousness, the unkonwn, might control people more than you think.

I don't know what you are arguing about Kraxis.

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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

That's why I beat off to pictures of Ruth Bader Ginsberg.:laugh4:

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Damnit ! That's the last time I google pictures of someone you mention, Dave ! :furious3:

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Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince

I don't know what you are arguing about Kraxis.

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Trying to spice it up a bit... Also bringing a bit of attention to the uncertainties of definitions. It is most certainly not a black and white world. But 'research' (as in 'research has shown') often puts it into this black and white world.

And I was half asleep when I wrote it. :rolleyes:

How exactly do you go about asking "Do you have fantasies about being raped? Would you like to do it?":dizzy2:


Also, I think the number one fantasy is to be with an other woman. At least the pole I heard about...

I know a lot of girls who feel the same about lesbianism as most men do about homosexual guys: Ewwww !

I doubt that it's the number one fantasy. Maybe in a Maxim survey...

It was a survey in San Antonio Texas (don't know if this sways results). I don't know, they sure do make for excellent videos ~;)

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Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon

How exactly do you go about asking "Do you have fantasies about being raped? Would you like to do it?":dizzy2:

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No, you ask: Tell us about your sex-fantasies. ~;)

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Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon

I don't know, they sure do make for excellent videos ~;)

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Originally Posted by Conqueror

:idea: There should be government-funded programs to make high quality porn available to everyone :2thumbsup:

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I'm telling you there is a huge difference between high quality and low quality porn, not all porn is the same.