End of Parliament?

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Originally Posted by Red Peasant

Just checking my history for these rampant British dictators and the disintegration of the British political system....mmm...can't find any, apart from a few mad kings a long, long time ago. Fact is, people who don't like the present incumbents in a government always think they have too much power. Some folk will always be crying about any govt, especially in a democratic system, being too powerful.
I'm not panicking. When the Americans have had a system that has evolved over a thousand years in place then I'll listen to them.

~:smoking:

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Cromwell.

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Originally Posted by InsaneApache

Cromwell.

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Spoken like a true monarchist.

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Originally Posted by Red Peasant

Spoken like a true monarchist.

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hahahaha....you can't quite help yourself, in actual fact, like yourself I would be in the New Model Army, but, I would be fighting for democracy. Not a utopian dream. :wall:

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Originally Posted by Red Peasant

Just checking my history for these rampant British dictators and the disintegration of the British political system....mmm...can't find any, apart from a few mad kings a long, long time ago. Fact is, people who don't like the present incumbents in a government always think they have too much power. Some folk will always be crying about any govt, especially in a democratic system, being too powerful.
I'm not panicking. When the Americans have had a system that has evolved over a thousand years in place then I'll listen to them.

~:smoking:

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I said nothing about history. What you have is political party attempting to circumvent the safeguards put in place for your democracy. The system that has worked for so many centuries is being fundamentally changed, that is something to worry about.

Before you dismiss all these arguments as overblown, think first of how the Tories would use the powers enabled in this bill. Would you still want it passed?

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Originally Posted by InsaneApache

hahahaha....you can't quite help yourself, in actual fact, like yourself I would be in the New Model Army, but, I would be fighting for democracy. Not a utopian dream. :wall:

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Touche. I don't believe in Utopian dreams, just social justice and democracy. They are not mutually exclusive you know ~;)

It looks as though this law will not be as bad as we first thought, but still unacceptable.

BBC website for today's news on this bill

Somewhat better, but it should still be the whole parliament, not just a committee of only MPs.

Better would be if at least 20% or so of the PM's objected, or if sufficient people sign a petition in protest (preferably with both possibilities), it would have to be run through parliament like it would normally.

Well, article 62 of a long past Great Charter already provides for petitions to stop laws being passed...

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Originally Posted by English assassin

Personally, I'd devolve everything down to local government except criminal law, certain bits of national infrastructure planning, defence and foreign affairs, sack 3/4 of the MPs and the civil service, and then see what happens. All this unregulated power that Gordo or Tony have now would turn anyone's head.

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Good Lord! You're a Goldwater conservative! :jumping: :jumping: :dancing: :horn: :horn:

Outstanding! Now if I could just get my republican party to field a few candidates who shared your views. Interested? We'd need a few years lead time, but you'd be eligible up to Speaker of the House. :shakehands:


Seriously though, allowing the bureacracy to make its own laws -- usually labeled regulations -- without meaningful oversight is a recipe for insanity. Its also been the norm here in the USA since FDR. Heck, our federal agencies often have their own -- fully binding -- "adjudicative" courts to enforce the regs they have written without oversight. Talk about having the inmates runnning the asylum.....

Don't let local authorities make laws. They are just as bad as the national ones except with less press scrutiny and less able civil servants. And *shudder* volunteers.