Samurai Warlords: "Obake Horselands" -Competition (Hmmmm)

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Originally Posted by Puzz3D

Tomi,

You do not need a max 4 rule for STWmod. In MTW/VI the hard coded 20% tax kicks in on each unit of the same type over 4. The STWmod doesn't need that tax or any unit restrictions, but there is no way to turn off the tax.

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It’s true that the fifth unit will cost you 20% more, and it goes up from there, 40% more for the sixth, 60% more for the seventh, etc..

But that will not necessarily stop anyone from using more than 4 of a particular unit. For instance the fifth gunner will only cost you 36 more than the original price, and the sixth 72. So for a measly 108 more that the 300 per price, you could bring 6 Japanese Teppo.

6 Yari only 240 more, and 6 Monks only 600 more.

But if that is acceptable, then we could allow that?

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Originally Posted by Tomi says

It’s true that the fifth unit will cost you 20% more, and it goes up from there, 40% more for the sixth, 60% more for the seventh, etc..

But that will not necessarily stop anyone from using more than 4 of a particular unit...

...But if that is acceptable, then we could allow that?

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It's ok to use more than 4 of a particular unit in STWmod because effective counterarmies exist, and this was tested during the mod's development. Even without the tax, unit limits are not needed. This allows more variety in the armies on the field.

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Originally Posted by Tomi says

6 Yari only 240 more, and 6 Monks only 600 more.

But if that is acceptable, then we could allow that?

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I doubt there's anything to worry. Actually, it's a bit sad that the tax is there for this mod (it's hard coded in the exe, can't be changed).

I don't think there's any unit that can become a problem. In STW and especially WE/MI it did, because of upgrades. But upgrades are pretty ineffective here and if that wasn't, units can't be pumped that much. You won't see H5 No-dachis, H7w2a2 yari-ashigaru, or H5 yari-samurai. Those voided the monk and the naginata. Battlefield upgrades are off in MP too, so 10 H0 ninjas are no problem either.

We play at 10k. 6 monks would be 6000 without the tax. 4000 for the remaining 10 units isn't that much (everything is expensive here). You'ld severely lack cavalry. And when the enemy has a good mix, including some horsearchers and meleecav, you may have some serious problems.

Without a 4 max rule and without the tax, we would see some rare oddball armies though. Not overpowered, but fun and can get the job done in special situations.

But there's the tax, an agreed 4 max rule will make odd armies completely impossible.

It's very easy to have >4 units of the same type. Just release a new stat set with 2 or 3 versions of the same units heh

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Originally Posted by L'Impresario

It's very easy to have >4 units of the same type. Just release a new stat set with 2 or 3 versions of the same units heh

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Yes, that's possible.

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Originally Posted by Puzz3D

It's ok to use more than 4 of a particular unit in STWmod because effective counterarmies exist, and this was tested during the mod's development. Even without the tax, unit limits are not needed. This allows more variety in the armies on the field.

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Ok, accepted as the standard then :bow:
After the current Contest’s final Battle is over however, as victories to date were earned under the 4 max limitation.

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Originally Posted by L'Impresario

It's very easy to have >4 units of the same type. Just release a new stat set with 2 or 3 versions of the same units heh

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Capital idea :2thumbsup:


And maybe make an additional version with “minor” upgrades (maybe downgrades too) in equipment and price (plus or minus 50 or 100?), to take the place of the unusable MTW upgrade system.

For instance, pav like shields for gunners (have seen many pictures depicting their use), elite archer units (more accurate). Maybe a faster horse option for CA, more armor or better weapons for some others, whatever. Not big changes that would disrupt the balance, just enough variation to expand capabilities and pricing a bit.

Or am I getting carried away :smile:

Good to see all you people join this. :bow:

All very much succes and fun in this competition! I sadly don't have MTW or the money to buy it so I cannot join :(

Assuming (ouch) that all eight players will be riding again this next Sunday April 30th.

Will there be any changes time wise?

Is Sunday at 18:00 GMT (7 pm BST UK – 2 pm EDT US) still good?

Or should we be looking at one hour later?

I am asking because last week we had to wait a bit for Lord Buu.

If he can’t make it earlier, maybe we should schedule later?

I don’t think that 19:00 would be too late for Ras, as we only have the one 4v4 to fight.

But not sure...

Please let me know :wink:

18:00 would be nice.
19:00 is ok too.
I'll be there earlier. Maybe someone would like a test/practice game?

R'as

Something came up today so had to leave..

sry about that guys..

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Originally Posted by donbatti

Something came up today so had to leave..

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Send your head to VDMBuuKenshin by the end of the week. :fainting:

Congratulations [VDM]BuuKenshin.

To all: thanks for the nice games.

https://img232.imageshack.us/img232/...ictoryb8vd.gif

Hail Lord [VDM]BuuKenshin.
Please inspect our cleaned and groomed fallen heads.
You're the strongest in the land now. :smile:

@ all participants: Thanks for all the fun games, hope to see you all soon.
@ Tomi: How're we going to continue this? We do want to, don't we?

:bow:

R'as

A small tribute to Lord Buu :wink:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...30#post1131930

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Originally Posted by R'as al Ghul

[IMG]@ Tomi: How're we going to continue this? We do want to, don't we?

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I do R'as :yes: And I hope the others do also :smile:

I think the format is a good one. And now folks know how it works, a single Battlefield Campaign could be fought in a single meeting. At least for an eight person party that is. If we had more interested, it may have to be split up.

We’ll see what the others say. And in any event, I would like to train with you a bit this next weekend.

Steel sharpens steel :bow:

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Originally Posted by Tomi says

I do R'as :yes: And I hope the others do also :smile:

We’ll see what the others say. And in any event, I would like to train with you a bit this next weekend.

Steel sharpens steel :bow:

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:smile: I could use some training.
I'll be there from 18:00 on.
I may have a mod file ready to send to you before we start.
Do you have an email address in your profile?

Looking forward to it. :bow:

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Originally Posted by R'as al Ghul

:smile: I could use some training.
I'll be there from 18:00 on.
I may have a mod file ready to send to you before we start.
Do you have an email address in your profile?

Looking forward to it. :bow:

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No, no. You are going to train me :grin:

What I should have said is we could have a some practice games together :yes:

And you can email me at clanwars@hotmail.com

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Originally Posted by R'as al Ghul

https://img232.imageshack.us/img232/...ictoryb8vd.gif

Hail Lord [VDM]BuuKenshin.
Please inspect our cleaned and groomed fallen heads.
:bow:
R'as

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in the pic,
which head belongs to whom???

B.

and please excuse my ignorance,
what are the GMT times and dates for practice/fun games?

B.

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Originally Posted by barocca

in the pic,
which head belongs to whom???

B.

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LoL. :laugh4:

Here's the results for the Generals: (I looked at the first soldier in the General unit, like in S:TW)

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Hunter_Tomisama_CoH STW_NagCav        Kiire Taketame        DEAD
MizuCBR                STW_HCav        Obata Masanori        DEAD
Ras al Ghul        STW_HCav        Makara Jurosaburo        ROUTED
MizuYuuki        STW_HCav        Mori Sadachika        CAPTURED

[VDM]BuuKenshin        STW_HCav        Obata Masanori DEAD
MizuTosaInu    STW_Hatamoto Matsudaira Chikatada VICTORIOUS
[VDM]Saint-Cain        STW_HCav        Matsuura Takanobu        VICTORIOUS
Tempiic                  STW_HCav          Ii Naomasa        DEAD

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A certain Obata Masanori obviously fought on both sides and died two times.

We've met between 18:00 and 19:00 GMT on the last two Sundays and played for 3-4 hours. Come join us. :2thumbsup:

:bow:

Ha! Ha! How could BuuKenshin be the Samurai Warlord? He died in the battle.

A possible new rule?

Remember this?

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Originally Posted by Tomi says

If a Lord’s army is lost in Battle, but that Lord’s Team wins, the Lordship changes hands to their highest ranking surviving successor.

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Which was rightly criticized, and not used.

But what if it read:

If a Lord’s Team wins, but Lord’s General is lost in Battle, the Lordship changes hands to the highest ranking Team member with a surviving General. The order rank being; the Lord’s first Retainer, followed by any vanquished Team’s Lord, and then that vanquished Lord’s Retainer.

Having to keep your General alive could put a very interesting, and realistic twist to the whole thing.

What do you think? :juggle2:
P.S. Of course Lord Buu retains his Horselands title, as that was not a rule at the time :bow:

Edit: Sorry. Maybe too complicated, and again unfair to the original winner. And the General of the Total War armys is only that, a General, and not a Lord (you).

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Originally Posted by R'as al Ghul

A certain Obata Masanori obviously fought on both sides and died two times.

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he is one of the generic people in the lists for testing purposes, (i think he is in every clan but two)

if i do this right there should be minimal duplicates in the next set of lists,
there will still BE a couple, after all there were indeed a few samurai floating around with the same name

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Originally Posted by R'as al Ghul

We've met between 18:00 and 19:00 GMT on the last two Sundays and played for 3-4 hours. Come join us. :2thumbsup:

:bow:

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:no: i am at work at that time,
i go to work at 1300 GMT sunday through thursday
any other times?

B.

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Originally Posted by barocca

:no: i am at work at that time,
i go to work at 1300 GMT sunday through thursday
any other times?
B.

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Most are usually still on later that evening (22-24:00) :yes:

What time should we looking for you after work, if you can make it :wink:

i get home around 0130 hrs,
i'll pop in to see whos about, but dont wait up on my account,

what user names should i look for?
B.

EDIT
never mind,
i am in the foyer and the only person i recognise is 7bear7
:(
B.

awww