Revolution!!! Feminism-style

Although this is quite clearly absolutely insane, in the context of the author's life, and her obvious physchiatric problems, I don't find it especially worrying. What I do find worrying is that someone would still want to host this on their website.

I was quite amused by the bit about abolishing the money system. What's masculine about money?

Edit-Just looked at the second link-"Many of the other sites that have this text exploit it for anti-feminist ends". Heh, that sounds like it's a difficult thing to do.

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Originally Posted by Big King Sanctaphrax

Although this is quite clearly absolutely insane, in the context of the author's life, and her obvious physchiatric problems, I don't find it especially worrying. .

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I wouldn't want to explain the parents that there was no reason to lock her up when she murders their son. There are perfectly fine padded cells for her kind.

I feel like a hundred dollars after reading part of that manifesto. Perhaps it is just the knowledge that she is actually describing herself most of the time.

You know, I've been thinking about this a LOT this morning... how do we know that the woman's 'manifesto' was ever meant to be taken seriously? Read some of Lou Reed's poetry.... there was a time when to gain equal rights for homosexuals and bisexuals he advocated homosexual rape out in the streets. He wasn't serious, and he quickly disavowed it when people called him on it.

It was the 60's, people made a LOT of manifestos that they didn't actually intend to pursue. I'm not saying the woman wasn't deranged, but when I read that, I don't get afraid, I get... sympathetic. It's the scream of a frustrated, disturbed woman who had a lot of reasons to hate men.

Now, that being said, her shooting Andy Warhol... well, that's moving beyond speech, and she deserved to be incarcerated for that (didn't say if she ever was). It's one thing to write fiction, even a fictional manifesto, working yourself into a slather about all the things you would do to your "oppressors" if you ever got the chance. It's quite another entirely to actually start doing those things.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

You know, I've been thinking about this a LOT this morning... how do we know that the woman's 'manifesto' was ever meant to be taken seriously? Read some of Lou Reed's poetry.... there was a time when to gain equal rights for homosexuals and bisexuals he advocated homosexual rape out in the streets. He wasn't serious, and he quickly disavowed it when people called him on it.

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At first, this was along the lines of my reaction too. I thought that she had just successfully gotten all the men uncomfortable and got their 'underwear in a bundle'. Then, I read this:

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Originally Posted by KukriKhan

1968- Valerie announces that she wants to kill her publisher, Girodias, and an underground newspaper
publisher gives her money to buy a gun
-On June 3rd, Valerie shoots Andy Warhol, and several others in his “Factory”
-June 28th, she is indicted on charges of attempted murder, assault and illegal possession of a gun

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She was definitely dangerous, and certainly no joke. She was out to kill people.

oh dear.

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Originally Posted by Zorba

I feel like a hundred dollars after reading part of that manifesto. Perhaps it is just the knowledge that she is actually describing herself most of the time.

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Yeah I know what you mean, got that too after reading this part :

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7. The male likes death--it excites him sexually and, already dead inside, he wants to die.

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Originally Posted by Big King Sanctaphrax

Although this is quite clearly absolutely insane, in the context of the author's life, and her obvious physchiatric problems, I don't find it especially worrying. What I do find worrying is that someone would still want to host this on their website.

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Actually she has killed at least one guy, and shows clear signs of wanting to kill more. Clearly dangerous, because she has enough energy to put her thoughts into action, and seems eager to do so. I can understand as in understand the cause and effect behind her behavior with that childhood, and condemn what she's been through, but not understand as in think it's justified, just like Hitler's actions can be understood in terms of cause and effect with the childhood, but not justified in any way whatsoever. Clearly, a case such as that is difficult to treat when it has happened, but a good example of why it's important that society has protection mechanisms for the people who can't have the basic safety of a secure family and childhood, because it's apparent that such a childhood is the cause of most such cases of hatred.

By the way it's a little odd that the owners of that website haven't been punished for hate speech yet. If every occurence of "man" and "men" had been replaced by "homosexual" or "woman", it would immediately have been considered illegal...

With her desire to kill men I’ll bet there could have been a job for her in Texas, either along the boarder or in a prison (death roe).:idea2:

those people are monsters! what sane human would advocate canabalism? its one of their ''churches'' five pillars! surely its a joke?

Why does it say men will be drag-queens?

She apparently thought that women don't need men. Give men a few more years to work on the virtual sex technology, and men won't need women! Take that, femi-nazis!!!111!!one!1!! :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by LegioXXXUlpiaVictrix

By the way it's a little odd that the owners of that website haven't been punished for hate speech yet. If every occurence of "man" and "men" had been replaced by "homosexual" or "woman", it would immediately have been considered illegal...

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As long as it's in the U.S., you can advocate any hateful thing you like. As long as it's at least somewhat abstract, and not along the lines of "Let's go kill Bob on Tuesday at noon."

A fine example would be the Westboro Baptist Church, which has lasted a lot longer than the I Shot Andy Warhol gal.

There's no law against hate speech per se in the U.S. One of our lawyer friends coudl probably go into better detail about when words cross the line (I know there's a legal distinction with "fighting words," but can't say I know what it is exactly).

So go ahead, post that website advocating the mass castration of penguins. Nobody can stop you.

http://www.germannotes.com/WW1_trench.jpg
There I am! ~:)

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Originally Posted by Lemur

So go ahead, post that website advocating the mass castration of penguins. Nobody can stop you.

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I will use all force necessary to prevent Penguin genocide. Too many other types of birds have been slaughtered already... :shame:

I read some more on that page, and after that, I think her hate for men all in all boils down to "Sexophobia". :thinking:

Were I, as a man, to write something like that and replace 'male' with 'female' I would be called a sexist. She is called a visionary. People we have found society's double standard, if you are 'radical' and 'different' enough you cannot commit evil, you are 'ahead of your time'. Equality means that you have the same rights, but you also have to take the same risks.

It happens in all radical movements. The Weathermen, Leon Czolgosz, and this girl get lionized.

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Originally Posted by JimBob

Were I, as a man, to write something like that and replace 'male' with 'female' I would be called a sexist. She is called a visionary.

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Uh, no, I think she was called "feminazi". :book:

Glad to find out it was written in the 60's. All the groovy this and that really threw me off.

I´d have liked to be her manager...she´d never have killed me after I had organized her publicity tour starting in Saudi Arabia........~D

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To call a man an animal is to flatter him

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Yep,
I find this paper (what I read) very flattering and correct.:2thumbsup:

Way I see it is that she’s writing about herself.
Girl just wants to be a lad and cant cope with the fact that she cant.:no:

What a nut. How can they get rid of all men anyway? With men being physically stronger, more men with weapons training and owning weapons, and most women thinking she's a nut and wanting sex instead of living in a society with nothing but lesbians and not much scientific advance (really, apart from Marie Curie there haven't been many notable female scientists)

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Originally Posted by Tiberius

(really, apart from Marie Curie there haven't been many notable female scientists)

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that isn't due to the diferences between the sexes, they just didn't have the same teaching and weren't taken seriously often in the past, its only recently that they have had a more even footing.

Would you believe I find the reactions people express on this thread far more interesting and, in altogether too many cases, telling than anything in the originally linked sites which I've not even bothered looking at (if only because the assorted direct quotes thus far gave me a pretty good idea of the content already)...?

Just musing.

after reading that I feel guilty about being so nice to my girlfriend~:eek: :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Tiberius

(really, apart from Marie Curie there haven't been many notable female scientists)

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Dorothy Hodgkin
Henrietta Levitt
Irene Joliot-Curie
Mary Leakey
Lise Meitner
Florence Nightingale (read a biography - she wasn't "just a nurse" but did grounbreaking statistical analysis of death rates in hospitals)
Jocylen Bell-Burnell
Rosalind Franklin
Maria Meyer
Rachel Carson

for starters.

Take a list of notable male scientists and compare the numbers. And take a look at the difference in number of major scientific achievements.

It's just that men are more interested in science I guess.

Now in most western countries they have equal education and are also (supposedly) treated equally, yet it's still mainly male scientists.

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Originally Posted by Tiberius

Take a list of notable male scientists and compare the numbers. And take a look at the difference in number of major scientific achievements.

It's just that men are more interested in science I guess.

Now in most western countries they have equal education and are also (supposedly) treated equally, yet it's still mainly male scientists.

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Try it this way:

"Take a list of notable male garbage men and compare the numbers. And take a look at the difference in number of major bins emptied

It's just that men are more interested in garbage I guess."

There's a gender bias in many areas which were traditionally male dominated, but it's improving. In science, you will find that there is an increasing number of women due to greater opportunity.

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Uh, no, I think she was called "feminazi".

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On those sites? No. One refered to her as 'a personal hero'