yes, we all know that it is all u.s. scientists that has achieved all these things, right? no one from germany, russia, japan etc. have been granted asylum and helped engineering a project of great proportions!Quote:
Originally Posted by Beirut
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yes, we all know that it is all u.s. scientists that has achieved all these things, right? no one from germany, russia, japan etc. have been granted asylum and helped engineering a project of great proportions!Quote:
Originally Posted by Beirut
Considering we are the third largest nation in the world, do you mean many is equal to two? China and India have a higher literacy rate then us? Some how i have a hard time believing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beirut
China: 90.9%
India: 59.5%
United States: 99%
All statistics from http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/
Or pretty damn rich, which ultimately makes for a better country. Who needs knowledge when you can hire foreigners to do the hard stuff for you? :laugh4:Quote:
I'm inclined to think they must be pretty damn smart.
What are you talking about, the US has the highest ranked universities in the world. And because of this they also have the best technology. MIT, Harvard, UCLA, Berkeley, Yale. MIT alone has a bigger budget than the State of Chile. :laugh4: How could they NOT have all that technology? Most of Harvard's stupdents are not even American.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beirut
It doesn't matter that most of the schools are mediocre Beirut, since the top schools are amongst the best in the world. And those schools are hard to improve on very much.
Isn't Yale mainly famous for producing US presidents? That's not much use outside of the US if you ask me..
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Originally Posted by KafirChobee
it sad that we one of the Best Countries in the World,but this Country has to be one of the damn Dumbest.. God, I see Kids in my Cathloic School get 4.0 and crap,and I have a kid in my reading class who can't read one sentance without help and he reads on a 4th grade level.. and he is in 8th grade in a Cathloic School,that's wrong,period..
Ohhh sweet irony!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by BHCWarman88
Something we agree on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
On Beirut's point, I have said before in other threads about Americans' education problems that the US has the two extremes (as usual with most things). It has a significant number of very ignorant people (who vote! :fainting: ) and some of the brightest minds on the planet. The national average is very low, but the most intelligent have the means at their disposal to see their projects to fruition (like foil-covered tin cans floating in space). This is not true of most of the equally intelligent people in other nations.
Maybe if we didn't so much d*** money in a pointless war? Maybe if our highest members in our countries administration weren't doing certain things for personal gain? Maybe if our president was educated! Some of his pronounciations and such show he's really not too educated himself.:wall:Quote:
Originally Posted by KafirChobee
Thanks to anyone who voted for him.:wall:
EDIT: And do you know what the worst part about the "no child left behind" act? I'm at the richest school in my city (was) and now that we have to give all our money away, we're poor. WTF? You're supposed to balance it out, not flip it!
Really? :wideeyed:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sjakihata
And all this time I thought Wernher von Braun didn't accomplish anything but the electric razor and a few kitchen gadgets.
Whoduhthunkit!
If you think it was much better during the 1990's your fooling yourself. I am willing to bet most of the individuals surveyed in this particlur survey were educated during the 1980's and 1990's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon
Tsk Tsk - that is a Texas state legislative issue - not the Federal Government. Your mixing your apples and oranges.Quote:
EDIT: And do you know what the worst part about the "no child left behind" act? I'm at the richest school in my city (was) and now that we have to give all our money away, we're poor. WTF? You're supposed to balance it out, not flip it!
Hardly.Quote:
It is a travesty. How did we allow it. Why is it permitted. And, why do some think it is OK?
America needs this element of society to do the menial work, and be content doing it. A capitalistic society needs an underclass to do the worst, lowest paid jobs without too much objection.
Just like everything else in America: the more money you have, the better education you can get for your kids. Of course the kid's level of studiousness also must be high to achieve good results.
The intelligent upper classes go to private schools and learn the skills they need to manipulate those public school graduates who are barely literate. And the GDP continues to rise, and America becomes even richer. Thats how it works.
The only travesty is that the percentage of stupid americans has fallen to such a low point that we are having to employ illegals to do the **** work.
Oh yea, I love how Kafir tried to tie religion and general stupidity together. Religious schools, especially Catholic ones, are some of the best in the nation. :idea2:
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You think this is actually acceptable? That someone should be condemned to a life of menial work and poverty because of the accident of their birth?Quote:
Just like everything else in America: the more money you have, the better education you can get for your kids. Of course the kid's level of studiousness also must be high to achieve good results.
The intelligent upper classes go to private schools and learn the skills they need to manipulate those public school graduates who are barely literate. And the GDP continues to rise, and America becomes even richer. Thats how it works.
If you're taught the ideals of a religion that is dominant in this country, I'm sure it helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
Also, I think you bring up a good point about the menial work, but I think, we could deffinetly lower the standards for letting immagrants work here. Instead of keeping everyone stupid, maybe we could bring people who need the jobs from across the border. I'm not condoning the employment of illegals, just maybe lower the standards.
EDIT: I do however find something disturbing in your post. Just because someone is born poor, they do not have a right to a good education? Is that what you're saying, because that's awful in my opinion.
Any time religion is used to put us educationally back in the Dark Ages, it is a bad influence on public education. We're not talking about Catholicism, here, but good ol' Protestant evangelists, like Bush.
Creationism! Oh my god! No wonder the Sun revolves around the flat Earth.
Oh look a generalization. Care to guess how many Protestant evangelists believe that the earth revolves around the sun?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tachikaze
Enlighten me...:book:Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
Money isnt the problem. Our per student spending is among the highest in the world, and it's got us nowhere. We need real reform- not just throwing more money at the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon
A good first step might be to get the federal government out of the education business and leave it to more local control. :yes:
Go to a Protestant evangelist church and you will enlighten yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon
I went to one for about a year after the Esipocal Church in my area changed its doctrine - ie its no longer that type of protestant church.
Some evangelists were just as intelligent as I, several spoke three languages to include russian. One was a doctor, etc. Basically from all walks of life.
That particlur church also had its fair share of knuckle heads - but generalizations for the most part are inaccurate.
I could point out the number of knuckleheads that have absolute no religion that believe a whole spectrum of things. Because of their own lack of education.
That's not what I asked for...Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
come to my church talk...
Or Mabye the Kids just don't care..
Which somehow needs to be fixed. But at least with that scenario, it's the kids choice. It's not that they were born into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BHCWarman88
Many kids don't care because that's exactly what they are. Kids.
Lol, the US is not doing too badly considering they're all so dumb.
Maybe the school system does need changed, but tell me one that doesn't. There will always be people in every country that aren't that bright, for a multitude of reasons, I don't think the situation in the US is anything special.
That's not quite the way it is though is it BKS, no-one who is prepared to put the effort in is condemned to anything, it might be harder for them but when they do prosper it'll be easier for their kids.Quote:
You think this is actually acceptable? That someone should be condemned to a life of menial work and poverty because of the accident of their birth?
I think the trick would be to determine which youngsters are worth spending the money on and focusing on them, the rest can get the standard levels of education or else put the effort in to get recognised.
Being a teacher myself (equivalent to Junior Highschool - Anglo-American section) in Switzerland, I have to say that this is probably the most accurate statement, so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by BHCWarman88
Students have smaller and smaller attention spans and are extremely difficult to motivate. Basic skills have been left hanging (writing, reading, basic arithmetics etc.) already in Primary School. Many students 'claim' to have some sort of disability (ADD, dyslexia etc.) and are consequently supported by their parents as this is always the easier option out (as opposed to actually tell their kids off for their crap grades). However, students show less and less interest in anything remotely connected to education and rather spend their time playing with their mobiles and looking cool. This is clearly a problem that must be addressed by parents and not only teachers.
In fairness, I teach mostly kids whose first language is not English but their mothertongue is often just as bad and they end up not being able to communicate properly in any language.
I reckon the standard of basic eduacation has deteriorated in most countries as more and more has to be taught and consequently known. I have had a 16-year old ask me the other day where the address had to be placed on an envelope...common! I recall having learned that shortly after having been taught how to write...
I get asked the most phenomenal questions at times...
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You have been enlightened. Just because you don't recongize it does not mean it is not enlightenment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon
The notion that the Catholic church said that the Earth was flat is a widespread and persistent myth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tachikaze
They supported Ptolemy's model of the universe, in wich the sun and spherical planets revolved around a spherical Earth. The fact that the Earth is round was known even by the ancient Hellenes.
I was being facetious, and I was not referring to the Catholics. I was referring to the Protestants who believe that the story of Genesis is true and want the rest of the country to believe it as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kralizec
To me, disregarding evolution and/or believing humans were created by a god suddenly is as bad as believing the Earth is flat.
Ah making generalizations about Protestants again I see. Tsk Tsk...:dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tachikaze