Most under-rated/over-rated unit?

In the under-rated category I'm gunna give a shout out for Swabian Swordsmen. Those guys made mincemeat of my high-valour, veteran AUMs.

Over-rated, Ghazis. I know some folks rave about them, but they just die so quickly! After a couple of battles, you're left with 3 or 4 units of Ghazis with 4 or 5 valour. Only problem is there's only about 4 men in each unit!

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Originally Posted by Mithrandir

They are fun to have if you face off vs a lesser skilled enemy to harass the enemy and try to get their cav to play, but they are simlpy not costeffective enough, meaning they don't excel in a role as either anti cav or as a mounted ranged unit. Hence they are not underrated imho.

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But...but... ~:mecry:
I like them

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Over-rated, Ghazis. I know some folks rave about them, but they just die so quickly! After a couple of battles, you're left with 3 or 4 units of Ghazis with 4 or 5 valour. Only problem is there's only about 4 men in each unit!

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In campaigns I always recruit my other units from provinces with armourers, but for the ghazis that's more of a luxury. They don't need much in the way of upgrading anyway- they have a good charge, armour piercing axes and very good morale. Since they lack natural defense they can only survive in good numbers if you give them good valour and max armour wich isn't really worth it, so you should only be using ghazis if you are a cold hearted bastard who can stomach it (yeesss, even enjoy it) to see them dieing in flocks.
Plus ghazis can outrun most foot missiles and slaughter them in melee :yes:

(I mainly speak from online experience, so forgive me if I don't take regional benifits into account).

I think ghazis are a nice unit, you can buy them at valour 0 and they are still a unit to be reckoned with because of their high morale (which is the most important thing if you ask me) great charge and armour piercing. Buying them at valour 0 means that you just lose 175 florins ,with the money saved you can upgrade other units...

They'll never be the main infantry of an army though, they die too fast and are particularly vulnerable to archers...

I don't think there is a region that give ghazis a valour bonus.

As you say morale is the most important attribute and IIRC ghazis already have 8 morale without upgrades, adding valour is pointless because their attack and morale are already very good but the defense is so terrible that a valour point is really just a drop of water on a hot plate.
Additional armour might be useful on non-desert maps to help them a bit against missiles, and as I mentioned they can outrun most foot missiles (IIRC all except Bulgarian Brigands and desert archers)

I guess its just my halbadiers, I use them efficently.

I usually dont use HA, I like to have the staying power of 4-5 units of teched up archers that can blow any HA army out of the water.