Bush uses Expletive in Frustration over Hezbollah

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Originally Posted by Kanamori

I don't see why he should have to adjust himself; why is it acceptable at his ranch and not there?

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Well, some view "the ranch" and a meeting of world leaders as having different social prerogatives. Personally, I'd love to hear the CNN recording of him lifting a cheek and tearing one off during the soup course.

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Originally Posted by Kanamori

Doing something that would be contrary to his person for the benefit of someone's sensibilities is fake.

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...and on your first date with that cute redhead will you be cataloging your charms to her while chewing on linguini and shrimp?

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Originally Posted by Kanamori

It is far better to be a slob than to be a mannered person who is mannered because he fears others' reactions.

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Not fear - civilized behaviour.

My father always said, "You don't have to use proper table manners, but you do have to know how to use them."

I wonder if George knows.

i am uncertain why israel thinks blowing the roads and bridges will stop hezzbollah from escaping.
last time i checked i dont actually walk anywhere using a road,
grass, dirt, whatever, but never a road.

Well done CNN. Classy.

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Oprah is gay?

Rotorgun uses expletive to describe Oprah's gayness and George W. Bush in general:
:gah2:

While typing at the computer, Roto was seen and heard using this common expression after reading the many posts about such a trivial matter.
Indeed, many times he has been caught using four letter words to describe the war in Iraq, Terrorists, the Republican party, the Democratic party, Bill Clinton (now there's a fine example for America), and having to fold camouflage nets during field training excersizes.

PS: you should have heard him when he busted his knuckles while changing the timing belt on his car! Lord Almighty! ~:pissed:

Well, this incident definately demonstrates the one of differences between Americans and Brits. :oops:

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Originally Posted by barocca

i am uncertain why israel thinks blowing the roads and bridges will stop hezzbollah from escaping.
last time i checked i dont actually walk anywhere using a road,
grass, dirt, whatever, but never a road.

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Where bridges start, grass, dirt and whatever tend to end, I know it's rediculous but that is how it works ~;)

unless you are from the province of Frysland of course, no need to reset the clock 20 years back there.

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Well, some view "the ranch" and a meeting of world leaders as having different social prerogatives. Personally, I'd love to hear the CNN recording of him lifting a cheek and tearing one off during the soup course.

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G8 Leaders are people on the same level as me or any one else. They deserve manners no more than any other person. If chewing w/ your mouth closed is just one of those things you were taught to do as a child, fine. Changing your eating behaviors for another person is fake, because it is attempting to change their perception of you, and it is telling that people feel they have to. They are no more deserving of manners than your close friends are. Your friends just seem not to mind if you fart loudly, as opposed to the G8 leaders.

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...and on your first date with that cute redhead will you be cataloging your charms to her while chewing on linguini and shrimp?

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I never chew with my mouth open. If I did though, changing it for the redhead would be fake. If she didn’t like me because of that, then too bad, I’d be better without her. I'd not like to spend a bunch of time with some jerk who expects me to change for them and be unequal.

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Not fear - civilized behaviour.

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What will the cute redhead think? That seems to be fear of what someone’s reaction to one of my behaviors will be. Either you are civilized or you are not. Changing your behavior, either way, for the benefits of others is just fear of their reactions. However, as I said before, I’m pretty sure that GWB was taught to chew w/ his mouth closed as a child. Chewing with it open is probably him telling the rest of us he doesn’t care; and again that he feels he has to tell us that by being rude to us is more telling of his personality than is the fact that he is chewing w/ his mouth open in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Beirut

Might be nice if he learned to finish chewing before speaking.

I mean... really!

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He is multi-tasking! ~D

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Originally Posted by Beirut

Oprah is gay?

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I thought it was obvious.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Where bridges start, grass, dirt and whatever tend to end, I know it's rediculous but that is how it works ~;)

unless you are from the province of Frysland of course, no need to reset the clock 20 years back there.

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They never heard about boats?:laugh4:

I can understand barrocca´s argument, there are many ways to get over a river without a bridge. Boats are just one.

In regards to their little intimate convo, I paticularly enjoyed the Daily Telegraph's (newspaper here in Britain) interpretation of events: "While Mr Bush ate a bread roll, Mr Blair stood behind him like a courtier trying to attract the monarch's attention..." It saddens me that these are the leaders of two great nations, and doubly so that Blair has no desire to step down any time soon.

Table manners and warfare. My kind of thread.

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Originally Posted by Kanamori

G8 Leaders are people on the same level as me or any one else. They deserve manners no more than any other person. If chewing w/ your mouth closed is just one of those things you were taught to do as a child, fine. Changing your eating behaviors for another person is fake, because it is attempting to change their perception of you, and it is telling that people feel they have to. They are no more deserving of manners than your close friends are. Your friends just seem not to mind if you fart loudly, as opposed to the G8 leaders.

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I'm certainly not implying that the curmugeonly crustaceans who make up the G8 are better than us, simply that there are social occasions where civilized behaviour is called for.

As to this recuring issue of fear, the word is not appropriate. You could say respect perhaps, but certainly not fear. I do not fear my friend's mother, but I'm still not going to fart in front of her. Respect is respect, not fear. And if it is "changing who you are" then perhaps it is showing the person you are dealing with that they are worthy of respect and the effort of civilized behaviour. To view showing respect as fear is to lower yourself to pure instinct and view the feces flinging chimp as the highest order of being.

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Originally Posted by Kanamori

I never chew with my mouth open. If I did though, changing it for the redhead would be fake. If she didn’t like me because of that, then too bad, I’d be better without her. I'd not like to spend a bunch of time with some jerk who expects me to change for them and be unequal.

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I am inclined to think that if situated in front of said redhead while she was barely wearing that cute pink top you like so much, you yourself would be inclined to want to show her your best side, a side you perhaps wear more loosely when in the company of your beer buddies. That is no insult, that is human behaviour.

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Originally Posted by Kanamori

What will the cute redhead think? That seems to be fear of what someone’s reaction to one of my behaviors will be. Either you are civilized or you are not. Changing your behavior, either way, for the benefits of others is just fear of their reactions.

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Again, not fear - respect. The veneer of civilization we wear changes according to the social setting just as our jackets change in thickness according to the weather. I understand your point about being honest, but that honesty can still be well expressed while altering your behaviour to suit the circumstances.

For example, you do not swear on these forums. Are you saying you do not swear in real life, or are you merely showing respect to the rules of a particular situation and members of a particular group? If so, no one would say you are being dishonest, we would say you were behaving like a gentlemen and being respectful of the environment you are in. We would certainly not say you were fearful.

Now I have the mental image of Bush 43 farting over an open mike juxtaposed against his father puking in the Japanese minister's lap.

If one believes in civil behavior, then it is always called for. Changing when it is called for is giving more gravity to certain ideals or individuals.

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I am inclined to think that if situated in front of said redhead while she was barely wearing that cute pink top you like so much, you yourself would be inclined to want to show her your best side, a side you perhaps wear more loosely when in the company of your beer buddies.

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If I liked it so much, I would probably rather to have the pink top in my hands or on her, depending on how I liked it.~;) Whether or not I would change my views in order to court an incredibly lovely redhead is beside the point; that is what I would do but that does not somehow make it correct or show that it is somehow respectful as opposed to being concerned with how others percieve me.

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For example, you do not swear on these forums. Are you saying you do not swear in real life, or are you merely showing respect to the rules of a particular situation and members of a particular group? If so, no one would say you are being dishonest, we would say you were behaving like a gentlemen and being respectful of the environment you are in. We would certainly not say you were fearful.

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We're talking about me again and not the idea. I usually do not swear in real life, and so it makes sense that I would usually not swear here. Being 'respectful' is inherently concern for something else before and above what you would normally be concerned. More than anything, it is a matter of putting someone's tastes before your own. Being respectful is making yourself inferior to some other ideal. I am unwilling to do that when I percieve that the ideals are different. In a perfect world, I would always be willing to put my tastes before the lovely redhead's, although I may succumb to my humanity.

When in Rome, do as the romans do.

I agree with Beirut. Changing your habits/actions based on the circumstances and environment shows, among other things, respect and the desire to be a civilized person.
It's as simple as that.

We live in a society - unless one of us is a hermit. Therefore, we should adhere to society's rules. Sure, we can sometimes bend them, but that doesn't mean we should. (One can shoplift, if one does not get caught, that does not make it right, does it ?)
Table manners, and civilized behaviour in society are part of those rules. Of course sometimes they will not be enforced, and you may be able to bend them or ignore them, but that does not make it right, just as above. One is expected to act accordingly to society's rules of civilized behaviour.

If you're in, say, India - it is perfectly fine to eat with your hands.
If you're invited to your gf/wife's European (let's say, somewhat aristocratic parents), it would not be fine to eat using your hands. Would they kill you ? No. Would they somehow force you to do that ? No. Can you be obliged in any way to do that ? No. Then there is no fear - you can do it, and that's fine. But you're expected to show manners, and to show you are civilized and a part of this society, by following its rules.
In other cultures/environments, you are only supposed to use precisely one hand for eating, the other one being considered unclean. Will the fact that you are obeying that tradition somehow make you a coward, or "afraid" of something ? Not in the least - if anything, it will show that you respect the tradition and rules of the society you're being in at that moment.

I hope this example was clear enough, to eliminate any confusion between respect, and fear.
And to anticipate a reply like "You're talking about me, not the concept" - no, I'm not talking about you personally; using "you" is just the easiest and most natural way to express that in English; feel free to substitute "you" in the above sentences with "I" (i.e., blodrast), or "one", or some random person. It has nothing to do with you in particular, it's about the idea.