Re: Forget 1938 -- How About 1998?
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Originally Posted by Mithrandir
to keep it cleanworded :
I strongly disagree with you.
People talk all to easily in general terms. In real life how much of a nuisiance are other cultures to you, how often have you been threatened because you are white, or christian or something like that ?
The ongoing polarisation, of which your post is a nice example, is,in my opinion, a bigger problem since it drives people away from eachother rather than getting to know eachother cultures and showing respect to one another.
The media and politicians blow things out of proportion,it's their job. But again, in your everyday life, how often do you really have a problem with people from other cultures 'because they won't adept to our lifestyle' ?
I like cleanworded. :bow:
Personally I have some limited interaction with other cultures, Michigan is far from the southern boarder and typically not a destination for someone to move to, but we are accepting to many “refugee” type cultures (Bosnian in particular and the east side of the state has a very high concentration of Muslims relatively speaking), but what I have has been mixed with a strong sense of being proud of becoming American where the other is very antagonistic and could care less about “our” culture as long as they can sneak their family in too. the latter still speaks predominantly Spanish and seems to go out of their way to segregate themselves from even their neighbors. I could tell you some fun stories about many of my neighbors and friends.
I actually find myself more and more accepting of other cultures, mostly because my curiosity grows, as I think most of America is but it is the people that clearly fight against the culture that should not be here, the ones that refuse to speak the language or even learn the language, the ones that refuse to follow the proper procedures to enter the country then constantly break laws while here that need to be sent away from here. America is the most accepting place one earth (aside from some places in the hood or the south ~D), if you can’t become an integrated part of our society, or if you refuse to be part of our culture then you should not be here. I think the problem we have with Mexicans and some others, percentage wise, is far less then the problems they suffer in France and in other European countries because a greater percentage of the “invading” culture is even less accepting of the hosting countries cultures and are there out of desperation rather than choosing to go there because they want to be “French”. They clearly want to be “Muslim” but are stuck in France because their homeland sucks. Most Mexicans want to be Americans and enjoy the country and participate as Americans, a smaller minority I think, just want to live like they would in Mexico but here where they can enjoy the benefits the US offers, perhaps more similar to the situation in France??
All the “getting to know each other” in the world wont change some peoples minds especially when programmed with religious superiority dogma and dedicated ignorance. Sometimes, you have to remove the rotten to preserve the good, if not it will all turn rotten.
I don’t think I am being uncaring only realistic.
Re: Forget 1938 -- How About 1998?
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Originally Posted by Mithrandir
The media and politicians blow things out of proportion, it's their job. But again, in your everyday life, how often do you really have a problem with people from other cultures 'because they won't adept to our lifestyle' ?
Today. I was going down a street and it does irritate me when there are people around that merely because of their gender have to have a piece of cloth over their face. They can't even get it off to drink! It may be a small thing, but it does irritate me.
A couple of days ago. We had to deliver a baby who'se mother had had female genital mutilation. She had to be cut open to give birth due to the disfigurement her culture had inflicted on her.
I've had some great mates who are Asian / Indian and a variety of religions. Yes, they have different backgrounds to me, but we are all English. I had one islamic mate who was the designated sober driver. He was one of the funniest people I've ever met.
If I went to Pakistan, ordered a ham sandwich and tried to convert people to Christianity I'd go to joil for a long time, resident or not. All I expect is a wish for integration into British society - which is in turn altered by those that join it.
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Re: Forget 1938 -- How About 1998?
When immigrants come, legally, to the United States with the intent of assimilating, we and they gain much from the richness they bring. US culture absorbs some of that difference and profits thereby.
When immigrants come, legally, to the United States, maintain a sense of separateness and a separate culture, but accomodate/cope with the basic nature of US culture, we lose nothing and all may gain somewhat.
When immigrants come, legally, to the United States, but attack and try to force US culture to remold itself in the image of their own, assimilation becomes difficult and neither side gains the benefits they should.
When foreigners come, illegally or legally, to the United States to use/profit from resources while attacking US culture and calling for its dismemberment or dissolution, no benefit can be had by US culture. Why in heaven's name would we tolerate this...but we do.:no: :shame:
Re: Forget 1938 -- How About 1998?
I know a guy a couple of blocks down from my place that came to the US illegally a couple of years back. He hung a Mexican Flag on his porch, and is a janitor at a nearby school.
A Few Months ago he swapped the Mexican Flag for an American Flag, much to his fellow illegal friends and families disgust. When his brother asked him why he was forsaking the Mexican Flag for the American Flag, he responded "because Mexico never gave me a **** thing, but America has given me everything."
Re: Forget 1938 -- How About 1998?
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Why see it as an us vs them issue ? Culture? who give's a banana... they too are humans. All humans strive to reach one goal, to find happiness..
why not accept that as a fact and work from there? In that way you'd welcome them and you'd get respect back in return. This may sound too easy,but it's true. I've found out in real life, treat people with respect and always remember that everyone wants to avoid suffering and be happy, try to help them and they'll show you a likewise attitude.
Don't see it as a group coming to destroy the culture you love so much, see it as people coming to fnid happiness as well...
Re: Forget 1938 -- How About 1998?
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Originally Posted by Mithrandir
Don't see it as a group coming to destroy the culture you love so much, see it as people coming to fnid happiness as well...
I'm destroying American culture. ~;) I'm here and is a bloody [repeat after me] liberal hippy tree-hugging weed-smoking (no, I don't do drugs) America-hating Bush-bashing elitist traitorous atheistic terrorist-sympathizing stereotypical smartass animated-porn loving (not really) Asian arsehead who refuses to consider the American flag more than just a flag. But all that is but little trivia when you consider the fact that I'm going take away one of the precious seats of the hard-to-enter US Universities that could've rightfully been sat upon by a true blue-white-and-red native of the USA. I think they can hate me all they want.
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Seriously, though, the matter of cultural "us" and "them" can be pretty polarizing when manipulated by skilled politicians. I believe anyway that many concerns are pretty legitimate when one considers the fundamental of a free society, and how such practices as masking ladies behind the heavy dress, not out of fashion sense, but to essentially repress them into a subordinate role, should not happen in it.
But to associate the practice with a group of people and start condemning them like that is just not the way. Simple sensibilities and courtesy could easily bridge many a gap in society; besides, from my own personal experience: the experience of freedom can eventually be intoxicatingly wonderful after a slow buildup towards its appreciation. It takes time, you know, to realize that what was taboo in your life -- and notice, too, and taboo has always been more effective in keeping mouths shut than most things -- is no longer one.
Re: Forget 1938 -- How About 1998?
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Originally Posted by Mithrandir
All humans strive to reach one goal, to find happiness..
bit late, sorry for necromancing.
Problem is they don't want to do anything for it, they want it thrown in their laps with a big golden wrap around it. It is always us that have to change, now we have some muslim teacher for example that decided she can no longer shake hands with men (an enlightment that came similtaniously with her getting a lifetime contract), and she insists that it is not respectless, and we should understand that. Well, the smoke you see above the Netherlands is me being angry, our country our ways. Here you shake hands basta. Or a muslima who can't get a job because she wants to live in a tent all day, yet she still demands that we feed her. Here we don't wear tents all day in the office, but they simply won't understand that. They always demand, but they never give.
Re: Forget 1938 -- How About 1998?
Just for the record:there are loads of WHITE people that I detest. Education here is free, yet still thousands screw it up. There are some that would be unemployed however hard they try. But why bother? Better be a low level criminal as the state can only take away what it gave yo in the first place.
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Re: Forget 1938 -- How About 1998?
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Originally Posted by Fragony
Problem is they don't want to do anything for it, they want it thrown in their laps with a big golden wrap around it.
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now we have some muslim teacher for example
teaching isn't a proffession anymore ?
"they" ...try not to generalise when talking about immigrants for once, it may help you to stop me from replying :laugh4:.
A handshake... who cares ? touching of hands ... I'd be glad to get all of the formal nonsense out of the way, a kiss, 2 kisses, 3? Just a handshake ? Good riddens, a simple bow would be my preffered greeting.
Re: Forget 1938 -- How About 1998?
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Originally Posted by rory_20_uk
Education here is free
Impossible. Paid for through taxes perhaps, but "free" is hogwash virtually every time somebody tries to use it as a label of value.
Sorry, Rory, pet peeve of mine.
TANSTAAFL!
Re: Forget 1938 -- How About 1998?
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Originally Posted by yesdachi
I like cleanworded. :bow:
All the “getting to know each other” in the world wont change some peoples minds especially when programmed with religious superiority dogma and dedicated ignorance. Sometimes, you have to remove the rotten to preserve the good, if not it will all turn rotten.
I don’t think I am being uncaring only realistic.
Do you concede that "getting to know each other" will change the majoritys minds ?
