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We call our release a "beta" because we don't consider it having enough content and polish to be a full release. I will say that our "beta" has far fewer bugs than most "full releases" from mods. Of course, we have the reputation of being extremely buggy, simply because we chose to be honest with the fans and not, shall we say, overly optimistic in our choice of presentation.
Doh. Makes my life so much easier when I don't have to skin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teleklos Archelaou
*Prays deeply for vanilla free 0.8*
:shame:
Though I don't know if I'll ever play a full campaign of RTW. I started one when I bought the game, then I realized the game...(I have enough warning points)... so I decided to make my own mod, got about half way done, then realized EB had everything my mod had and more and it was all way better, so I stopped work on my mod.
I never play any computer game as much as I modify it... I think that must be why I buy them, to enjoy them through modifying them, rather than actually playing.
So I eagerly await EB so I can modify it... am I the only one?
Well my skills in modding limit me to editing some txtfiles:hide: But i do have a lot of time to play, from 2 to 8 hours a day. I havent played any other mod for RTW after i found EB as i am a realism freak..:book:
So wait, you HAVE 0.8 completed, but you want to 'beta test" it..
welll..
ITS ALREADY A BETA.:help: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3:
Why didn't you just release it, and let us Beta test it, with this forum.
Oh and uh... I have the power to play for over 12 hours.
Also I can easily mod many textfiles, I don't know how to skin though.
And I know a whole lot about this time period.
No. 0.8 is not completed yet. Who said that anywhere?
Alas, between work, university, being married, and trying to lure QwertyMIDX into a discussion about military professionalism in the ancient world I can't commit to the kind of attention required to do a good job at this. :shame:
Nvm, I read it wrong what it said is you are putting all the completed things into the Mod, but will the beta-test thing be available to everyone, or just the Beta-testers(In my opinion it doesn't make too much sense, but..awell..Quote:
Originally Posted by Teleklos Archelaou
Well, we know that when we do release 0.8, a lot of people will have been waiting a long time for it and will be pretty excited about it. It's not 1.0, but still it will be a big deal for us at least. So we want to try and iron out any big problems we can catch before that happens. Not a big deal really - we'll just grab about 5-10 people here (or so, still not sure of number) and let them try it out first and see if we can get some good feedback. That will make the real release of 0.8 go a lot smoother then.
Plus, we don't even have 0.8 yet really. We'll let the betatesters try out our .79 build though first too. We just don't have any people really actively testing campaigns for us, and it would be nice to have a few on hand, so that's what we're doing.
Can I just ask:
How do we know if we get chosen or not? Are you going to PM us?
And how can we give feedback without giving secret infomation to others? I read somewhere that you have a hidden forum. Is that how we give you the feedback?
Do we join the EB public group if we get chosen?
After we have tested it what will be end up doing for EB?
Thankyou
We have a second hidden forum on another site - all EB members and the beta testers will have access to it, but beta testers won't have access to the most holy of holies, EBH. :grin: We'll make decisions in a few days and let the people know who were chosen, and let everyone else know if they haven't been in some manner. It's possible some beta testers might become EB members, but that just happens if it happens (if a tester is really helpful and we think the tester can contribute in other areas). The beta testing forum though would probably become temporarily obsolete with the actual release of 0.8, but might be reused as things get closer to 1.0 (which we really hope won't be too much further after 0.8, as we aren't dealing with stepping to another patch or anything like that, which has absolutely beat us senseless and crushed our souls with the changes made in 1.5).
Surely it can't be that bad!Quote:
Originally Posted by Teleklos Archelaou
Yeah, it was pretty horrible. It forced us to entirely scrap the old recruitment and MIC system. ALL building conditionals for units were totally thrown out the window with 1.5. It instantly caused crashes when you looked at the barracks that had units like that in them. That didn't happen in 1.2. It was a nice new "feature" of 1.5 though. Thanks!
We've had a lot of people put their names in now, here and at twc - I hope folks won't be too disappointed if they don't get to test it, but we are really really pushing to try to get 0.8 out soon either way, so hopefully it won't be too much longer either way.
Just make sure to include those general/standard bearer skins.
Does that mean that the recuitment system in 0.8 will be completly different? And will the 0.79 that the BETA testers be testing for 1.5 or for 1.2. If it's for 1.2 I will have to play downgraded or buy a new copy of RTW (not gold).Quote:
Originally Posted by Teleklos Archelaou
To clarify a few issues:
1) The Beta test is for v1.5.....the old days of v1.2 are gone forever.
2) "Soul-crushing" barely begins to describe the impact of losing our core EB system. We lost about half the team during the painful process of rebuilding from the ground up. And if you focus on "active working members", the attrition rate was more like 80%. Fortunately we picked up many new guys who have stepped into the breach and done the heavy lifting that's gotten us this far. I cannot thank them enough - this mod would be dead without them.
3) The EB "Beta" perception. I swear to god, this makes me want to vomit. This version is going to be damn close to v1.0, and I wouldn't be surprised if we made the jump to full release within a month or two after v.80. The whole team is sick and tired of hearing a bug-free game described as a Beta, although to some extent we did this to ourselves with this pre-1.0 numbering convention - it's just that NOBODY imagined the bitter, mod-destroying horrors that lay hidden within the deceptively simple goal of "oh, let's take a month and port over to v1.5 next!" (And yes, we posted a fix to the Reinforcement CTD Bug. It's not perfect, but it's a fix. So for those who just want to bitch about it? Shut up already!)
4) The reason we beta test before releasing is that v.79 contains a number of problems and omissions that we know about but are working on. If we gave it out to the world, people would get pissed off and focus on everything that isn't there. Don't delude yourselves, at least half our work was spent just trying to regain what we had in the last release. Many of the features we had in v.74 STILL aren't back in v.80, although they will be. And finally, we have lots of new stuff that hasn't been integrated yet simply because we needed a stable platform first.
5) That said, there's lots of "blow-your-socks-off" new features, and many of the old standby's have been given facelifts and/or core-level hardening. There will be fewer exploits and a whole lot more eye candy. The music alone makes this next release a "Home Run". But baby, there is sooooo much more!
Horray! ~:santa: ~:santa: ~:santa: It's as if Christmas has come early ~:santa: ~:santa: ~:santa: Horray!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kull
Now if I do get to play the closed BETA I will play as a Barbarian first....
I just can't wait to play those night battles when .8 is released (if i'm not chosen for beta of course!)
A barbarian with a long beard and silly red cap? :sweatdrop:Quote:
Originally Posted by Matthius Julius
Its the Barbarian god of strange hats, silly beards and Christmas. He didn't exist, but hey who cares? Actually don't answer that last one. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Trithemius
And by the way: It's meant to be Santa, also known as St. Nicholas, also known as Father Christmas, also known as your mum and dad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trithemius
:oops: I just destroyed Christmas for all under twelves in the Org! :oops:
I'd love to help Europa Barbarioum as a beta tester as I love the mod and enjoy playing it.
I don't suspect any further applications will be required guys. I think we have gotten about 8-9 people we are looking at and we will let people know as soon as we can. Thanks for putting your names in the hat!
Will you notify us if we are not chosen so that we know that our application has been turned down?Quote:
Originally Posted by Teleklos Archelaou
Yes.
Well he was a saint too, I've have got a 19th century icon with him on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matthius Julius
yup, ole st nick was a caretaker of orphans among the orange orchards of southern anatolia...lived by the beach in fact. i'm pretty sure i could make a moderately solid academic argument (one day when i'm tenured etc) that the varangian guards were the vehicle for taking st. nick to the north to be id'd with kris kringle/santa claus.
how's that for on-topic?
Jolly ol' Nick's also known for punching Arias in the face at the First Ecumunical Council :2thumbsup:
Sign me in! I know, that I am quite new here at this forum, but I have played MTW and RTW for some time and EB for about two month.
Aks K
I've probably harped on this topic enough, but let me help you visualize it:Quote:
Originally Posted by Matthius Julius
1) Open the file called export_descr_buildings.txt in the Data subdirectory of your v.74 build, and notice that MIC recruitment occupies the section running from row 217 to 13,382. We threw away ALL of it.
2) When you finally get a chance to look at the same file in v.80, you will see that MIC recruitment now runs from approximately row 4560 to 32,300. Every bit of this is new. (And we'll probably add another 10,000 lines or so by the time we finish all the new unit recruitment.)
And this is just one file.
The current export_desc_buildings.txt takes me like a minute to open or save, and the new one is going to be more complex?! :dizzy2: :2thumbsup: