Schoolgirl arrested for refusing to study with non-English pupils

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Originally Posted by Duke Malcolm

As I said, minorities are overlooked unless it is an obvious case. I suspect this is to do with teachers trying to help them "fit in".

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That's horrifying.

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

What's the betting that this chav just threw a hissy fit because she couldn't sit with her mates as she was absent when they were split into study groups .

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There goes that word again.

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Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888

They Need to Learn (English).

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I actually agree with you here.
I am from Russia. When I went to Germany, I studied and learned German. When I came to the US, I learned English. When you come to a foreign land, I believe you should at least be welcomed, but I do not believe that the nation should bend to you.

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They Need to Learn. having say 20 English speaking kids in one class, and having 10 kids who can only speak a few words in the same class to makes no sense. How can they learn then?

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They learn very well , it even works out very advantageous for the English speaking kids .:yes:
Forget all the knee-jerk" bloody foriegners coming over here" rubbish , and actually think about it .
My kids are getting a far better education purely due to the number of non-english(or Gaelic) speakers in their classes .:2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by CrossLOPER

That's horrifying.

There goes that word again.

I actually agree with you here.
I am from Russia. When I went to Germany, I studied and learned German. When I came to the US, I learned English. When you come to a foreign land, I believe you should at least be welcomed, but I do not believe that the nation should bend to you.

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Yes, if say, I wanted to move to Poland? you think I won't learn Polish? Yea I will sit down, takes classes.



Tribes, em no. First off, you need to learn English when you go to the US/U.K. I don't want my kids to be sitting here, having to have a translator be butting into class,because she has to translate every word. Plus, It cuts down the on racists kids, and if my kids want/need to learn something, they can go take classes.,:beam: :beam:

Here is an interesting demographic:

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Fewer than two per cent of pupils at Harrop Fold come from an ethnic minority.

It had the worst GCSE results in the entire Salford LEA last year with just 15 per cent of pupils achieving five good passes including English and maths, a third of the national average.

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So it has less ethnic kids then normal and performs last in the GCSE in the area... not saying much for the wattage of the locals is it.

Now as a kid you don't normally get to choose which country your parents move to. In Australia the kids will if they have to ESL (English as a Second Language) while doing other units at the level they can cope with. They are not excluded from the rest of the kids. It means that they get to intergrate faster and learn more about the locals... one of the advantages of going to a public (government) school over a private (religious) one.

Now a pupil who was absent from class the previous day should not get to pick and choose who they sit with. To refuse to interact with them is bad enough to leave the class and make racist comments she should have been suspended from school (detention alone for leaving the classroom without the teachers permission). If she made any violent comments towards the teachers and/or the students then police could be normally called in. It would be over the top within a normal school to call in police however given the following:

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A complaint was made to a police officer based full-time at the school

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kind of hints that this isn't a normal happy go-lucky school environment when you have police based there full time (again probably the same high wattage locals).

Non PC version of events: Girl stayed home, took in bogus note that she was ill from her model lifestyle mum, came into school found out that she couldn't just hang out with her friends in class, was exposed to a language other then english and probably science concepts beyond her understanding in english, throws a hissy fit with the teacher, storms out of the class, is found by teacher, swears to the heavens about having to sit by black *&^(%^ and then is marched off to detention for bad behavour. I'm sure she is going to be a model citizen and key contributor to the world at large. Of course if welfare didn't exist she would be working the streets or living under a bridge and die at the glorious age of twenty three.

Evolution, sometimes throws in a throwback.

Salford eh? That explains it. :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

What's the betting that this chav just threw a hissy fit because she couldn't sit with her mates as she was absent when they were split into study groups .:yes:
Her poor old mother got a bit upset , so after stewing for a while she got the bright idea to ring the Daily Mail .:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

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Do they normally throw youths in jail for hissy fits a week after the fact?

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It sounds like she did more than refuse to do a school project - ie. quite severe racial language etc.

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According to the article, the worst she said is 'blacks'.

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Non PC version of events: Girl stayed home, took in bogus note that she was ill from her model lifestyle mum, came into school found out that she couldn't just hang out with her friends in class, was exposed to a language other then english and probably science concepts beyond her understanding in english, throws a hissy fit with the teacher, storms out of the class, is found by teacher, swears to the heavens about having to sit by black *&^(%^ and then is marched off to detention for bad behavour. I'm sure she is going to be a model citizen and key contributor to the world at large. Of course if welfare didn't exist she would be working the streets or living under a bridge and die at the glorious age of twenty three.

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You're reading an awful lot into it without much supporting information.

CR

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

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According to the article, the worst she said is 'blacks'.

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The article is very moderate in it's decription of the abuse, however i think the word "blacks" is meant to represent more wide ranging racial language etc. (the article can hardly quote her exactly)

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This is insane. Locking a kid up becuase they start yelling, come on. The teachers should understand when you put 1 student in a group with 5 others who can't communicate with her, there's going to be serious problems. Also I think the teachers trying some CYA moves with the "blacks" comment, becuase well the other students were asian.

In that same district another kid 10 was prosecuted for saying some bad words also. I didn't even know England had laws on the books that infringe uppon freedom of speech.

As for black being racist, come on, if I'm white, your black. Racism has to work both ways.

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Tribes, em no. First off, you need to learn English when you go to the US/U.K. I don't want my kids to be sitting here, having to have a translator be butting into class,because she has to translate every word. Plus, It cuts down the on racists kids, and if my kids want/need to learn something, they can go take classes

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Did you actually think about what I wrote when you quoted it ?

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Do they normally throw youths in jail for hissy fits a week after the fact?

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did she get thrown in jail ? no
Is a week a normal length of time for a police report on alledged verbal racist abuse to be started and processed ? probably
So what are you trying to say Rabbit ?
It seems like nothing , is it nothing ?
If so why bother saying it :yes:

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So it has less ethnic kids then normal and performs last in the GCSE in the area... not saying much for the wattage of the locals is it.

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Hey behave Pape , I lived in that area for a while , there are some very nice people there .
Then again , I suppose I would be classed as one of those foriegners :yes:

You lived in Salford Tribes? :inquisitive: That explains it! :laugh4:

Seriously though, I know Salford very well (being born on the right side of the river Irwell) and it isn't a place that conjures up a feeling of restfulness and wellbeing. I read this story a week or so back and IIRC the girl said a little bit more than just calling her schoolmates black. In fact her mother was a bit more forthcoming about her views than was wise IMO.

Having said that, (the girl only seemed to be echoing her mothers views, now there's a surprise), the school should have dealt with it internally......perhaps they should bring back the cane? :yes:

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You lived in Salford Tribes? That explains it!

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Eccles IA , it was full of us nasty foriegners back then:yes:

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I read this story a week or so back and IIRC the girl said a little bit more than just calling her schoolmates black. In fact her mother was a bit more forthcoming about her views than was wise IMO.

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Noooooooooo....you don't say .
You mean there is more than the Daiy Mails version of this "poor girls" story , apart from the one Duke or the Vanguaurd News Network are putting out (which just happens to be the Mails story with the usual white supremacist bullshit comentary added on):laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Damn , and there was me thinking that this was a real issue and a damn good story to boot:oops:

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As for black being racist, come on, if I'm white, your black. Racism has to work both ways.

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Waaayhaaay , now then , there was a bloke on this forum the otherday who made a nice post , strangely enough he he had a colour in his forum name , he made acomment about racism .
A nice down to earth complete and all encompasing comment .
I wonder what it was ?
Sooooo Tex , with your "works both ways" idea .
Does nasty shite from one side justify nasty shite from the other side , or is nasty shite just nasty shite no matter where it comes from ?:inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

:yes: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :oops: :inquisitive:

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Short and sweet, I like.

Anyway, strange that you can now be arrested for having an opinion, and caring about the quality of your education. She doesn't want to work with people that can't speak english, how very ebil of her.

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Did you actually think about what I wrote when you quoted it ?

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Um Yes,Re-read.



I makes no sense to stick her in a group of non-english speaking kids. How the Heck do you even get across by calling it a "study group" when she be doing the work by herself anyhow.Though again,just forgot what it was about, have to re-read the article.

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Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888

UThough again,just forgot what it was about, have to re-read the article.

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Wow. Just. Wow.

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Originally Posted by CrossLOPER

Wow. Just. Wow.

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You found that candybar you lost 2 years ago and it's still edable?

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Um Yes,Re-read.

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So , do you undestand how my kids are getting a better education than those kids whose parents thought I was mad to keep sending mine to school where there are so many non-english/Gaelic speakers ?
It is mainly down to numbers and extra resources , plus parents who have a problem with people who are different invariably pass some of that crap on to their children in their formative years .
Though what is even funnier is those parents are not gaeilgeoir , but always insisted that even though they cannot speak the language themselves their kids must be enrolled at the gaelscoil because they get a better education , but now are complaining that foriegners who just like them also don't speak the language are doing the same .
That is priceless .:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
This years new intake in the local gaelscoil was about 25% african , almost exclusively Nigerian .

So , do you undestand how my kids are getting a better education than those kids whose parents thought I was mad to keep sending mine to school where there are so many non-english/Gaelic speakers?

These schools tend to sex up the results here, there is no way a language barrier can benefit an education, teachers have a harder time explaining things because students don't understand what he says.

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These schools tend to sex up the results here, there is no way a language barrier can benefit an education, teachers have a harder time explaining things because students don't understand what he says.

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Errrrr........ummmmmmmm. ........yep , it appears that the language barrier is impeding understanding there , you do not understand what is written do you Frag .
Would you like me to go through it very slowly in simple words ?
Or shall I just repeat .....It is mainly down to numbers and extra resources ...... to see if you can grasp the core reason , the same core reason why non-Irish speaking parents send their kids to Irish speaking schools .:yes:

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Errrrr........ummmmmmmm. ........yep , it appears that the language barrier is impeding understanding there , you do not understand what is written do you Frag .
Would you like me to go through it very slowly in simple words ?
Or shall I just repeat .....It is mainly down to numbers and extra resources ...... to see if you can grasp the core reason , the same core reason why non-Irish speaking parents send their kids to Irish speaking schools .:yes:

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Numbers, I like numbers. Why not show me some that prove your kids are better of in these schools because I don't buy it. Here these schools score worse.

That's Why I go to Cyber (online) School, don't got to Deal with Any of this BS.



Cross, Amamzing,isn't it. You like a Cookie now?

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Numbers, I like numbers. Why not show me some that prove your kids are better of in these schools because I don't buy it. Here these schools score worse.

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So I take it you didn't read the original article then :whip:
Oh dear :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: I shouldn't laugh really , you cannot help it can you :no: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Its quite simple Frag , an average of 20 kids to a class 1 teacher 1 fulltime assistant 2 part time assistant per class plus 9(inschool) rotating language specialists providing in class assistance plus extra classes on a language group basis (16 classes in all in the school)
The result being that half the time my kids are getting tuition on a 1;4 basis or better due to the immigrants being given the extra classes.
Compare to the school down the road , average 36 to a class , 1 teacher and 2 part time assitants per class .:yes: no contest eh

Now to take it back before the recent influx of immigrants .
Some people didn't want to send their kids there because of the numbers of itinerants enrolled . special funding and resources are allocated to the school to deal with this "burden" , but travellers often travel , when they ain't travelling many don't bother attending school , hence all the extra resources get spent on those kids that do go to school :2thumbsup:

So figure it out for yourself , those parents who have a problem with their kids attending the same school as immigrants or gypsies end up putting their kids in overcrowded underfunded schools .
Who do you think gets the better education ? simple isn't it:idea2:

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

:laugh4: :laugh4: :whip: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :no: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :yes: :2thumbsup: :idea2:

So I take it you didn't read the original article then

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'It had the worst GCSE results in the entire Salford LEA last year with just 15 per cent of pupils achieving five good passes including English and maths, a third of the national average.'

The children should be made to learn english, if i was put with asian people who could not speak english or any other people who could not speak english i would go absoloutley mental, its england we should speak the native tounge, so if black is racists now then, next time i am called white then there is gona be hell raised about it.

ahum ooops

Fewer than two per cent of pupils at Harrop Fold come from an ethnic minority.

It had the worst GCSE results in the entire Salford LEA last year with just 15 per cent of pupils achieving five good passes including English and maths, a third of the national average.

Lol that's unfortunate, I want my edit button :laugh4:

Wait a minute ... fewer than 2% of the school are ethnic minorities and yet there are 5(!) members of the ethnic minority in one class and these are working together as a group on a project?

I have the feeling that the integration of ethnic minorities at this school is a complete and utter failure...

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Originally Posted by King Ragnar

The children should be made to learn english, if i was put with asian people who could not speak english or any other people who could not speak english i would go absoloutley mental, its england we should speak the native tounge,

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The other language people go to school to learn how to speak english , in maybe 6 months time they will most probably be able to speak basic english fairly well - yes, its inconvenient in the short term (everyone needs to learn sign language) but in the long term communication is okay, these people can't go to seperate schools for basic english learning before mainstream schools because that would cost the government far too much.
I do agree that in English schools enlgish should be spoken in lessons.

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so if black is racists now then, next time i am called white then there is gona be hell raised about it.

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How many times :egypt: --> in the article the word "black" is used to indicate much more severe abuse - it can hardly quote the exact wording.

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Originally Posted by Ser Clegane

Wait a minute ... fewer than 2% of the school are ethnic minorities and yet there are 5(!) members of the ethnic minority in one class and these are working together as a group on a project?
I have the feeling that the integration of ethnic minorities at this school is a complete and utter failure...

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Exactly they should really work on it, in fairness it is probably harder to integrate a 2% as opposed to say 10%, it would mean those of ethnic origin would stand out particularly obviously, forming a definate seperate group, also the other native students might not be accustomed to seeing those of different ethnic minorities, and as a result are (seem to be - in this case) racist

none of this justifies the police arresting the girl, the school ought to look after itself on this kind of thing.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

You found that candybar you lost 2 years ago and it's still edable?

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Something to that extent, yes.

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if i was put with asian people who could not speak english or any other people who could not speak english i would go absoloutley mental

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Now that is just so tempting for a put down .

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Wait a minute ... fewer than 2% of the school are ethnic minorities and yet there are 5(!) members of the ethnic minority in one class and these are working together as a group on a project?

I have the feeling that the integration of ethnic minorities at this school is a complete and utter failure...

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Ser Cleg
It probably has more to do with the small size of the ethnic groupings in the school .
It makes sense at the start of the school year to place the 3 recent immigrants who cannot speak English in the same class as the 2 who could speak both English and Urdu , until such time as the extra tuition becomes effective .

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none of this justifies the police arresting the girl, the school ought to look after itself on this kind of thing.

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Scurvy
I wonder how much the action revolves around the fact that this school is under the special measures program to address its state as a failed educational institution .

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ahum ooops

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Frag :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
See it does help , that way I wouldn't have had to write .....So I take it you didn't read the original article then :yes: and then you wouldn't have quoted it and still not read it , then actually read it and had to say:oops:

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

I wonder how much the action revolves around the fact that this school is under the special measures program to address its state as a failed educational institution .

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I know very little about the special measures programme, however it seems to me that only by confronting this kind of thing internally can the school revitalise successfully, if students see this kind of thing needing the police brought in, what does that tell them of the authority and competance of their teachers (presumably fairly low standard at such a school - however they don't need to know this)

It hasnt been helped by the media picking it up, maybe without the media coverage it would have been the right course of action, depending on the severity of the abuse, :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

did she get thrown in jail ? no
Is a week a normal length of time for a police report on alledged verbal racist abuse to be started and processed ? probably
So what are you trying to say Rabbit ?
It seems like nothing , is it nothing ?
If so why bother saying it :yes:

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Meh, she was 'placed in a cell' for 3.5 hours. Rather similar. The question stands then, why put her in a cell a week after the incident? Is that what they normally do for teens throwing hissy fits?

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A complaint was made to a police officer based full-time at the school, and more than a week after the incident on September 26 she was taken to Swinton police station and placed under arrest.

"They told me to take my laces out of my shoes and remove my jewellery, and I had my fingerprints and photograph taken," said Codie. "It was awful."

After questioning on suspicion of committing a section five racial public order offence, her mother Nicola says she was placed in a bare cell for three-and-a-half hours then released without charge.

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Even supposing she said something more racist than simply 'blacks' it is absurd to throw her in a cell a week after the fact.

Crazed Rabbit