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Socially economic?Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
By the way, Wakizashi, what do you mean by "economically liberal"? In a classical sense, laissez-faire, treat your factory workers as slaves for economic benefit; or in liberal as in (evil murderous...ahem, DA did that, no need for repeating) incorporating socialistic elements into the economy?
Looks like the GOP won Tennessee...NBC is saying Webb will win in Virginia though.
Clooose...Quote:
Claire McCaskill (DEM) 754,879 48%
Jim Talent (REP)* 753,698 48%
74% of precincts reporting
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Jon Tester (DEM) 73,450 54%
Conrad Burns (REP)* 59,659 44%
31% of precincts reporting
Its High Time that the US Abandons it's foolish Democratic Ways, and installs a good ol' Dictatorship.Quote:
Originally Posted by AntiochusIII
I guess my dry sense of humor doesn't always dawn on everyone:shrug:
In Reality I'm the exact opposite.
Republican in the sense that I don't like Hippies, Democratic in the sense that I actually want to send my children to good schools. (even if OMG we need to raise taxes to do so...idiots...)
My rapier wit is as sharp as a frickin' basketball; of which I must express my sincere apologies. ~:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wakizashi
It ought to be noted, however, that this is election day. People are crazy.
...not to mention I see first-hand what it's like to witness a Republican ad campaign. My school is/was a polling station; the law states that no political advertising can happen within 100 ft of the polling station.
Most probably see this coming, but I came to school to see a big advertisement for the Republican candidate for governor (here in NV) right in front of the school entrance, "just outside" the 100 ft range.
Not illegal at all, but kind of made me sad. :thumbsdown:
Gah, Talent is losing in Missouri. The dems could pull out the Senate.
CR
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Precincts Reporting: 2433 of 2443 (99.59%)
Registered Voters: 4,555,672 Total Voting: 2,347,541 Voter Turnout: 51.53 %
Candidates Party Vote Totals Percentage
J H Webb Jr Democratic 1,162,004 49.50%
G F Allen Republican 1,157,259 49.30%
G G Parker Independent Green 25,968 1.11%
Write Ins 2,310 0.10%
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JJon Tester (DEM) 124,104 51%
Conrad Burns (REP)* 114,232 47%
64% of precincts reporting
Woo-haw!Quote:
Claire McCaskill (DEM) 867,295 49%
Jim Talent (REP)* 842,170 48%
85% of precincts reporting
My lord, the Dems might actually take the Senate too!
Though in Virginia, I think we're definitely in for a recount, and that can't even begin until November 27th; we probably won't have a final, definite answer on Virginia until sometime in December.
If dems win the 3 races Sasaki listed, will that give them 51?
Gah. Well...a wakeup call to the GOP, I hope.
CR
God I hope neither party takes the senate. I want a 50/50 split. Make any vote claw it's compromising way through.
According to this website: http://sbe.virginiainteractive.org/index.htm
Webb has pulled ahead by 7,000. If he pulls ahead by 11,000 Allen will have to pay for the recount by himself.
Yup, the dems need all 3. A 50/50 split would really be a republican majority since the VP is republican.
Happy to see a man of Webbs credentials beat out a sucker like Allen. He trailed all night by 30k or more, then jumped ahead at the last minute. The absentee votes still have to be counted, but seeing as how Webb is former Navy and most Virginian military votes will be placed my people out at sea, I assume those will go to Webb.
Also very, very happy to see Leiberman stick it to the Democrats. Now he may very well be the swing voter in a split Senate, won't that be Ironic, now he can screw the people who hung him out to dry.
The conservative wing of the Democrats are not going to mesh well with San Fran lefties like Pelosi, and I'm curious just how easy the speakership will be for her to get. the best way to ensure a Republican president in 2008 is to have Pelosi at the helms of the House.
On the local level, Oklahoma Democrat Governor Brad Henry -- who was endorsed over his opponent by the NRA and enacted the biggest tax cuts in state history -- beat out Rep Earnest Istook, a far right religious jerk who brought nothing to the table but rhetoric. Henry destroyed Istook in the debates, and has won by 40% margin.
Missouri goes for Democrats.
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Jon Tester (DEM) 130,762 50%
Conrad Burns (REP)* 121,857 47%
67% of precints reporting
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J H Webb Jr Democratic 1,167,053 49.56%
G F Allen Republican 1,159,238 49.23%
G G Parker Independent Green 26,024 1.11%
99% of precincts reporting
It's funny how the Republicans were Big Vaginas and backed off comprehensive immigration reform until after the election. Guess that didn't work out too well for them. And now we are going to have Kennedy, Clinton and Pelosi shaping the reform instead. Talk about a backfire, thanks guys, I'll start brushing up on my Spanish!!!!
Really. ******* morons in charge of the GOP. We could've done something about the border but noooooooo, and now Pelosoi controls the house meaning no more border security at best.
All the state initiatives I supported are failing. Now we'll have power companies required to go 15% 'renewable' energy by 2020 or something. And guess what? Water power isn't renewable apparently.
CR
Has anyone read all of their recommendations? :dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelosi's first 100 hours
Completely horrible idea.Quote:
Time remaining until 100 hours: Raise the minimum wage to $7.25 an hour, maybe in one step.
Don't you think we waste enough money on schools already?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wakizashi
Democrats are against actually improving schools, they are only pro throwing more money and hoping that helps the problem. Namely, they oppose school vouchers because it would increase competition in schools and the teacher's unions hate that they might have to perform well to keep their jobs.Quote:
Republican in the sense that I don't like Hippies, Democratic in the sense that I actually want to send my children to good schools. (even if OMG we need to raise taxes to do so...idiots...)
CR
Yes. We want to keep our kids stupid so they can go work in the tye-dye mines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
What would throwing school vouchers at schools and hoping it increases competition do? Schools competing wouldn't lead to better education. You'd have mandatory SAT prep courses to make the schools numbers look better and stupid stuff like that. The current system allows for selection between public school anyhow, and it's not like private schools are better.
Webb is now up in Virginia by 11,000 votes. Looks like Virginia is going Democrat.
The last real race is in Montana. Last I saw, with 72% reporting, the Democrat was ahead by 7,000, but the Republican's supporters were saying many of the precincts that have not yet reported skew Republican.
If Montana goes Democrat, I'm pretty sure the Dem's have the senate too. But it's still too close to call.
I should have said the dem party.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Right now, public education is a monopoly for those who can't afford private schools, which are almost always better. And if they're not, why are public schools so afraid of people being able to attend them?
School vouchers give parents the choice of schools, which means they will choose the best school they can, which means schools will strive to improve the education they provide. Basic market economics.
And besides, why is the dem party against parents choosing the best school for their children? Oh yeah, those teacher's unions again...
CR
Interesting. Montana isn't a big state, 7,000 is a sizeable gap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hurin_Rules
Also, that's promising.Quote:
Jon Tester (DEM) 5,172 68%
Conrad Burns (REP)* 2,277 30%
31% of precincts reporting
The others aren't so good.
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Jon Tester (DEM) 18,161 51%
Conrad Burns (REP)* 16,888 47%
43% of precincts reporting
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Conrad Burns (REP)* 436 57%
Jon Tester (DEM) 311 40%
13% of precincts reporting
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Conrad Burns (REP)* 10,180 57%
Jon Tester (DEM) 6,898 39%
71% of precincts reporting
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Jon Tester (DEM) 8,530 49%
Conrad Burns (REP)* 8,400 49%
2% of precincts reporting
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Conrad Burns (REP)* 582 60%
Jon Tester (DEM) 367 38%
19% of precincts reporting
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Jon Tester (DEM) 2,503 57%
Conrad Burns (REP)* 1,801 41%
64% of precincts reporting
Jefferson
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Conrad Burns (REP)* 2,347 57%
Jon Tester (DEM) 1,645 40%
43% of precincts reporting
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Conrad Burns (REP)* 812 68%
Jon Tester (DEM) 363 30%
23% of precincts reporting
Maybe it's different where you live. Private schools don't offer a better education here and parents get to choose which public school.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
80% reporting, the democrat still leads in Montana by 5,500 votes. I've heard word, however, that the final results won't be make clear till 8am EST, as there has to be a recount in one county.
The majorities are so tiny that even a few people randomly ticking boxes as they vote could alter the outcome... I really wouldn't blame any particular person if your party lost. Blame the 5,000 idiots who had no idea who to vote for and randomly ticked a box.
Why would those even take the time to vote ?Quote:
Originally Posted by BDC
Nothing better to do? It's not that many people. I mean some of those margins are 0.1% of the population. That's one in a thousand.Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
I went to be early last night, as I wasn't feeling all that well. I suppose I know what that was now...
I had seriously flirted with the idea of posting what Nancy Pelosi's real first 100 hours was going to look like, but I figure I'll be gracious and congratulate all you Dems.
I'll let you enjoy the day and tomorrow I'll post some of my predictions as to what I think is going to happen: the Good (yes, I think there will be some); the Bad (going to be plenty of that) and the Ugly (too much to count...).
Anyway, congratulations. And welcome back Hurin.
Update:
Democrat control of the House, with a solid if not quite massive majority, is a done deal. The question will be whether Murtha tries to oust Pelosi, though I don't think he can.
Democrat control of the Senate, albeit on the basis of both independents voting with them, now seems likely. While Allen/Webb and Tester/Burns are both reporting wins for the Democrat candidate (though the margins are so close that recounts will be required).
As a whole, the American electorate is fed up with the GOP and wanted change.
-- some were fed up with the excesses of power (Foley, Abramoff)
-- some were fed up with the excesses in spending (Drug Bill, etc.)
-- some were fed up with the war in Iraq
The Democrats represent real differences on these issues. They do not hold power, so they are not in charge of managing a "culture of corruption." We shall see if they can do better. They do believe in lots of spending on domestic concerns, but under Clinton displayed a willingness to make cuts elsewhere to balance the budget -- whereas these Republicans haven't spent a nickel where they could toss in a sawbuck. They do not approve of our efforts in Iraq, and wish us to begin leaving -- they are aware that chaos will result, but feel deeply that this will occur regardless of how many Americans die or how long we stay, so we might as well get it over with. This view of Iraq is shared by a plurality -- and perhaps a majority -- of Americans.
My concerns for the future, based on this, center around three things.
WoT/Iraq: I'm not happy with how we're doing, but would prefer a more committed effort to succeed rather than a withdrawal. I hate it, but accept the fact that sometimes you have to bleed -- and go on bleeding -- to enact policy. If you aren't willing to do so, you become a feckless ally and paper tiger.
Spending: We are currently at war, which makes it difficult to slash defense budget growth (the primary means of budget balancing used by Clinton), but will have a Congressional leadership committed to social spending and income redistribution sending bills to a President who can't seem to remember where he put his article 2 section 7 stamp.
The Border/Immigration: I simply do not see meaningful action here. This was, regrettably, true under the GOP, but will not improve under new management. Oh well, at least the Dems were up front about wanting amnesty and citizenship for all.
I don't know who on earth she is, but she LOOKS scary.....
Well atleast she looks better then Condoleezza Rice does.:hide:Quote:
Originally Posted by macsen rufus
I defend Pelosis and Murthas stupid ideas no more than you Republicans defend Bushs. Did you see her choices for committees? Good god, she's going to make the head of the senate intelligence committee one of the only judges to ever be impeached, the guys a felon for chrissakes. He coudln't even get a "secret" clearance if he joined the army