Re: Sorry Granny, Wrong House!
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Originally Posted by Don Corleone
Well, bravo for you on that, but I would still argue that comparing every oppressive/ham-handed organization or government to the Nazis diminishes the special horror Nazis should inspire in people.
I'm not really comparing the government or the police officers to the nazi's, I'm saying that the lack of personal resposibility can lead to atrocious situations, like what happened with the Nazi's. We should always be aware that in thend, we are responsible for what we do.
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You and I are in 100% agreement that this was a tragedy and never should have happened. Where we appear to diverge is where the root cause and responsibility lie. I blame the commissioner that instituted an illegal policy, and the judiciary that turned a blind eye to it.
You apparently blame the individual patrolman on the ground for carrying out the policy.
I blame both.
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In doing this, you make it clear that you have limited understanding of how the chain of command works when lives are on the line. If you, as a police officer or a soldier in a hot zone, sat down and evaluated which orders violate your personal ethos, you're going to get your mates killed. At some level, you have to trust that your orders are legitimate and simply act on them.
Now see, this is where I become a realist again. You can't make decisions on the fly all the time, that would be impossible. I do feel that you should regularly evaluate what you do. Most of these officers have probably been in a similar situation. After something like this happens, it's up to you to decide whether or not you will continue with your job, knowing it will probably happen again, at that point can you make a conscious decision.
Of course, most of those officers probably realized something like this might happen before they signed up and made their decision then, but perhaps they change their mind when confronted with the reality of killing an innocent ?
I'm not saying someone should sue those officers, legally they are not to blame. Morally, they are to me. :bow:
Re: Sorry Granny, Wrong House!
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Originally Posted by CrossLOPER
Hey, your butt first.
That wouldn't improve the situation I'm afraid.
Re: Sorry Granny, Wrong House!
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Originally Posted by TosaInu
That wouldn't improve the situation I'm afraid.
I meant that you go first in line of survival. "You" being a dependent variable.
Re: Sorry Granny, Wrong House!
The cops in this situation come across incompetent.
I am ok with the no-knock raid in some cases.
Re: Sorry Granny, Wrong House!
No-knocks are okay to catch people who are deemed high risk. Most drug dealers don't fall into that category, even if they are punks with guns.
The problem here is that police deal in absolutes. They are saying they "identified" themselves, which probably means they yelled some incoherent garbage as they kicked in the door. Police like to give you a split second to respond to their "warning" and then they shoot you. Just like they do when they step in front of a car going 3 mph and unload on the driver before he has a chance to stop. If no-knocks are eliminated they will get around it by knocking once, saying police and then kicking in the door. Pray to god you arent on the crapper or laying in bed, and whatever you do, don't reach for your glasses k?
Sounds to me like the informant got some info from someone who knew this old lady was a paranoid gun toter, with the intent of making this sort of shootout happen. Well it worked, and the police are buffoons. And I bet all of them keep their jobs.
Re: Sorry Granny, Wrong House!
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Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump
Sounds to me like the informant got some info from someone who knew this old lady was a paranoid gun toter, with the intent of making this sort of shootout happen. Well it worked, and the police are buffoons. And I bet all of them keep their jobs.
Whats wrong with carrying a gun? It's legal in your own home.
Both cops and the old lady responded the way rational people would.
Any way I don't think the police should be punished.(that is if they didn't plant the weed....and they probably did) It's kind of funny they get (what is likely) the wrong house and there "happens" to be a bag of weed there after the big screw up.
Cops have been caught planting stuff before to cover their ass; it wouldn't surprise me if thats the case here.
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Just like they do when they step in front of a car going 3 mph and unload on the driver before he has a chance to stop.
Noone possibly steals pancakes, then is driven away and lives here!
Anyways...
Oh, and the police are saying the officers identified themselves after cutting through the burglar bars on the windows and breaking down the door. And of course, no criminal would ever dare shout police.
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pb...YT02/611280302
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Once the search warrant was signed, three officers appeared at Ms. Johnston’s door with bulletproof vests and raid shields emblazoned with the word “police.” Department officials have insisted that the officers went to the correct address. They announced themselves as the police after cutting through the burglar bars and forcing down the door.
Or at least they claim that they said it.
The officers are idiots and deserve what they get (and worse!), the chief deserves to get shot too.
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