Those Mongols! :@

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Originally Posted by misima

Subedei

Even on VH/VH this game is easy. Battles are too easy, couse AI very very stupid. I manage to win, even when Im totally outnumbered.
All u need is to figuire out the winning tatctic and fit u army with right units.

The worst thing Mongol will do to me is they will take Kiev for several turnes, thats all. After that I will destroy their first invasion complitely.

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I am new to this game and still have a lot to learn, but I just can not understand how this game seems so easy to some people. Especially on the higher difficulty levels, and when talking about the horde.

Playing as Poland -- and continuously taking care not to step on too many toes -- I've never been able to build up for long without some greedy neighbour attacking me. In my experience, Asia is just not rich enough in resources to build up an economy that can support an army that is a match for the Mongols. I'm sure it can be done of course, with lots of advance planning, good tactics and some luck. But as I have explained here [URL="https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=73751"], in my game the Mongols are certainly NO pushovers, and I have to think and adapt before I can even hope of beating them.

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The next turn.*POOF* three new general sprout and the Mongols survive. WTF shoudnt a faction die when all its generals are killed?

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If all you had to do was assassinate 5 generals to end the Mongol threat they would be trivial indeed.

those mongols are like my mother. I tell her to leave but she never does. Brute force is the only way. but then dad shows up ( second wave mongols) after that one my pesky brother comes too ( 3rd wave) . :(

Sounds like a domestic issue, man.


I'm still waiting for the Mongols in my campaign. I got the warning in 1205, but 80 turns later they still haven't shown up. I may be kind of underestimating them...all I have is one army on my eastern front stationed at Tblisi Citadel to defend against them. All my experienced armies are busy conquering Italy...

Are the Mongols very challenging for an army of similiar composition to their own? By that I mean, an army with tons of heavy lancers and horse archers?

Mongols just appeared in my game in baghdad.I just evacuated edessa and my 2 generals near aleppo waiting for them.My full star general is on his way from alexandria.I am really looking forward to see if they r really such a challenge as they all say.
I hope they r because all the other factions r good at defending but very limited in their offensive

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Originally Posted by IPoseTheQuestionYouReturnTheAnswer

Sounds like a domestic issue, man.


I'm still waiting for the Mongols in my campaign. I got the warning in 1205, but 80 turns later they still haven't shown up. I may be kind of underestimating them...all I have is one army on my eastern front stationed at Tblisi Citadel to defend against them. All my experienced armies are busy conquering Italy...

Are the Mongols very challenging for an army of similiar composition to their own? By that I mean, an army with tons of heavy lancers and horse archers?

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depends.. do you intend to fight them in real.. or just automatic resolve it? because for me the only way to win is to fight them on the field. There is little chance I win with auto resolves. The problem is.. after 30 battles on the field ye get tired. And you dont always win.

Yesterday I did defeat them on all fronts..


I had about 8 to 9 horse archers... and about 7 units of cavs.. then 6 units of sipahi dismounted... and general..

they key is to useyour area good too. I always put my army on a high place..BELIEVE ME without that I would have lost em all :D

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Originally Posted by Orda Khan

You can
MTW2: Regnum Dei - All Factions version 1.7.7 Premium

.....Orda

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Thanks Orda, did you play them yet? Liked it?

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Originally Posted by Subedei

Thanks Orda, did you play them yet? Liked it?

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I've not done any SP apart from some custom battles just to see what the gameplay is like, same with MP. I don't have the game yet, my PC is beginning to show its age, even though it managed RTW OK. I'm going to have to wait for a new PC before I get the chance.
Regnum Dei certainly sounds interesting and it will be the first thing I do when I get the game as I am quite opposed to defeating the Mongols :beam:
After that it will be MTR.
If you wouldn't mind letting me know your opinion if you try it in the meantime Subedei? I'd appreciate that

......Orda

Ok I just encountered the 3rd wave. I trounced the first two making lots of money on the way by ransoming the king, then attacking him again with another army and you get the picture... SO i gather my forces at the bridge at Baghdad with a full stack of cannons, bombard, jans trebs and saracens. I place my jans behind the saracens in schitrom while i use my cannons to take out the rockets. The mongols hit me hard sending everythin through the bridge. My saracens died but killed many and my jans just annihalated them but sufferd alot of casualties form arrows. EVentually the mongols routed(maybe from rotting cows) and lost their general. Now I'm taking a stand against the scd stack in a bid to wipe thoes b@$tards off the earths ass.

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Originally Posted by Subedei

Well, :inquisitive: o.kay....maybe the Mongols behave differently in Mother Russia....but in my campaign right now they are rampaging the Russian/Polish lands...~:confused: I follow the action with a spy.

Question for misima:
1. "What are your winning tactics?"
2. "What is your army composition?"
3. "Which faction are you playing? The Russians?

Totally outnumbered on VH.....any screenies you could post, no offence, just wondered????

Cheers, a very curious Subedei.....

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Ok sry for my English I will try to explain as best as I can.

1. Im veteran of TW series.
2. I have finished my first compaingn for Scots (vh\vh) of course. TOO EASY.

3. So I started for Russians, i red that they are hard to play. But they are TOO EASY too :(.

4. Battle strategy. First and big point AI IS STUPID :(((((((.
Only problems u may face:
- u army is unexpirienced and low end, while comp has good units = this maybe bad if u have shity general. U may even lost such battle.
- They have very good general while u dont have general at all = This maybe bad for u if u have even units and less trops.
- U are complitly outnumbered like 1\10. Thats mayve very bad if u have shity position on a field.
Thats all, in all other circumstances u MUST win.

How to win, even if u outnumbered 1/3, 1\4 and maube more. Notice that units u use is vital here. U must fit ur army in a right way. Every fraction has its own bonuses and minuses.

For a long time my wining tactiks was use of lots of cavalery. I like cavalery alot. What Im doing! U may have several infatary units in the middle, and several stacks of cavalery on sides. If u have small army then use cavalery from only one side. There are too main points here - first AI doesnt see and counter u cavalery when u moving them from flank or from the back. Just move u cavalery before to the flank far enough and start to get closer. Second, attack by ur infantary when they get close and in a 5 - 7 seconds after figt starts and all foe army will be fighting or marshing on u infantary u CAVALERY MUST hit from the side or from the back. This makes massive deaths in the foe army, so they start to rout. U just have to use time right and do use u cavalery in the right time. If u cavalery will be late ur infantary may rout (if they ountnubered), if u cavalery attack too early thats bas either.

I will tell when u outnumbered u strategy is to make adventage on one flank (u may complitly be weak on another it doesnt metter). Best advantage u make by Cavalery charge from flank or from the back. When u have foe rout on one flank, just attack other foe forces on the other flank, using forces u have on wining side (u will attack them from side or from the back so u will have big bonus)

Playing for Russins I descovered several other good tactics wich work pretty well, and when I combine them with Cavalery tactik they just great.

If u interested I will tell u them.

I love this game but unfotunetely its too TOO easy.

Mongols.
I found them hard to play on open field. They use lots of cavalery as I do.
So I killed lots of them in Kiev deffence. They didnt take Kiev, But now I fighting them on open fields and its much harder then any other fraction. Most of the time im vinning, but loosing to many units, thats bad, but interesting.

well I'm playing a Turkish Campaign on Hard/Hard, I've modified the game to start at 1071 AD and end at 1526, I also play 1.25 years per turn. At the time the Mongols appeared I was in control of all Asia Minor, Constantinople, Thessalonica, Gaza, Alexandria and the Levant with the exception of Jedda. I found very quickly that my full stack garrisons were too meager and low grade to deal with the horde as it poured down through the mountains to Tibilisi. Both Tibilisi and Yerevan fell, and I pulled my armies back towards Mosul and Edessa. The Horde bypassed Trebizond (which was a citadel) and then stood around for many turns.

They've finally started moving again, this time they took Cillicia and I've pulled my best generals back towards Greece, as Iconium is close to falling itself. I simply don't have enough really good units to deal with the Horde and I'm hoping they pass on into Greece and into Hungary/Russia. This will give me time to take Cairo, Dongola and Jedda, and to retake Yerevan and Tibilisi. Of course since there are apparently multiple Mongol hordes I'm not sure if it would be wise to retake those cities anyway.

On the other hand the Mongols seem to only sack cities and move on. At the moment it's not affecting my income, but I worry about where the Horde is headed. All the bombards in the world couldn't stop all those horsemen! cheers!