21st Century Middle East = 16th Century Europe?

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Originally Posted by holybandit

Seriously, are we dealing with a nation full of little kids? That is what it seems like to me.

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I used to know a South African fellow during apartheid times who would say exactly the same the thing about the black majority in that country.

We'll never achieve much viewing the world through our own cultural lenses without considering what it may look like with others.

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Originally Posted by IRONxMortlock

I used to know a South African fellow during apartheid times who would say exactly the same the thing about the black majority in that country.

We'll never achieve much viewing the world through our own cultural lenses without considering what it may look like with others.

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Tell me what "they" see through their lenses.

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Originally Posted by Caravel

Very true. Wherever the western world has tried to spread "civilisation" or "democracy" it has introduced conflict, slavery, poverty and not much else. .

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Are you saying that these things are an exclusivley Western occurance?
Have you ever heard of the Aztecs? Zulu or Monglo's?
That seems like a very anti-western and niave point of view.
Wherever man has been there is always conflict.

Western Civilization has brought about for it's own peoples something unknown for most of history, long periods of peace and practicaly no harm to their civilian populations in comparison to earlier periods.
There is now a great amount of political, theological and moral awarness in Western populaces. Governments cannot always get away with everything now. I realise that Iraq deosn't strengthen that belief much but in most cases it rings true.