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You eventually realize that KOTOR is extremely easy. I have beat it on hard with just one character that was on the light side without reloading or dieing once. The beginning on Tarsis is the hardest part because after that, everything becomes so easy
KOTOR1 was rather easy, although it probably depends on playstyle. Unless desperate, I tended to avoid grenades, "drugs" (or whatever the potions were) and shields - they all seemed rather "un-Star Wars" - so I found the combat ok most of the time. A Sith commander at the end of the first planet and the final boss fight were memorable. The Sandpeople often kicked my butt and the whole endgame rampage through hordes of Sith was also pitched at about the right level for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xdeathfire
KOTOR2 was even easier[1]. I was surprised, as the Icewind Dale games I associate with some of the design team had remarkably well balanced combat. There did not seem to be enough high level opponents. I only remember being seriously pressed once - by some dark Jedi or something in a temple on that moon. After I finished the game, I restarted on hard difficulty but burnt out before seeing if that improved things much.
[1]Apart from some of the sidegames - pod racing. :wall:
Yep, the only half-way tricky bit in KOTOR 2 was the Sith temple on Dxun.
You could always turn the difficulty up, though.
The most pressing situation I had in KotOR II was at the end when you fight you-know-who. I gotta admit, it ain't a difficult game, but for newcomers it might be a bit overwhelming, though the basics can be learnt fast.
Xbox FTW. :beam: No crashing (almost :skull: ). I remember controllers being thrown when I realized the game topped out at level 20 and I'd wasted 12 on being a soldier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bijo
Dxun tomb of dark Jedi first king of Onderon guy. I just run and plant mines around the pool.Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
For the original it would have been nice to have multiple endings that varied depending on multiple decisions you would have had to make through the game instead of the two endings that you would decide in one simple conversation. It would give some meaning in spending time making your characters turn towards the light or the dark
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Originally Posted by Big King Sanctaphrax
The amount of micromanagement it took me to get characters that i hadn't used since i got them through what would have been tough for my main character was amazing.
The only thing i'll say is - take atton. I would never have survived without his revive trick (so that i could run around in circles while he whittled down the sith one shot at at time) :yes:
I've actually bought both the KotOR and Jedi Academy games some time back, played them a lot too. I was going to buy KotOR II but after finding out that it's incomplete I decided to wait for these guys to finish.
All this talk about Kotor made me restart the first one again... Damn you all! I have work to do! :inquisitive:
Even on hard it was depressingly easy. Kotor was also too easy but at least had the starforge level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big King Sanctaphrax
In terms of story and dialogue quality which was a richer experience - KotOR 1 or 2?
It's hard for me to say - I enjoyed them both very much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikpalj
In conventional terms, Kotor1 had the better story and perhaps dialogue. It had a very nice plot - probably better than any Star Wars movie - with a jaw-dropping Usual Suspects-type twist. Some of the dialogue was excellent - I really enjoyed the verbal parrying with Bastilla, with its bat-squeak of sexuality. I also adored Jolee's jaded old Jedi act.
Kotor2's main plot was a bit of a mess. It did not have much logic and the ending was rushed, in fact, incomplete. Some of Kotor2s characters were hackneyed and underdeveloped. However, perhaps partly because of Kotor2s blemishes, I found it to be rather more compelling. In Kotor1, everything was tied up neatly; in Kotor2, the loose ends made the world seem more real. It was darker, more adult and had better villains. I found the sidequests better motivated and more engaging, whereas many of Kotor1s felt like "make work". The main NPC in Kotor2, Kreia, was one of the most - in fact probably, the most - unusual and unique characters I've seen in a computer game.
They are both excellent RPGs in terms of story and dialogue, IMO. I am struggling to think of others that rival them. Only Baldurs Gate 2 and Vampire Bloodlines come to mind.
Econ 21 thank you for the great reply!
If you haven't already, you might want to play through "Planescape: Torment" an older isometric rpg in Baldurs Gate's engine. The script and dialogues were written by the same guy who did it for the KotOR games, Chris Avellone... and when I found that out I quickly got interested in KotOR's.
Ps:T was one of the greatest PC rpgs ever made with an incredibly rich and mature plot, dialogues and NPCs - I heartily reccomend it to you.
And the Kreia character sounds much like Ravel, an old hag and important, mysterious NPC from the PsT game... with her unforgettable Riddle, which is at the same time the phylosophycal question the game is trying to explore:
"What can change the nature of a man?"
Actually Kreia is far more complex.
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Nikpalj - don't click Lars's spoiler if you haven't played kotor2 and have any intention of doing so.
I had forgotten about PST. Yes, that's certainly in the story n dialogue camp of RPGs. Although with its heavy emphasis on reading text, it does kind of fall victim to the "show, don't tell" maxim IMO. Plus the world was a little grim for me to persevere with (makes the kotor2 world look like a Care Bears' outing).
I feel stronger :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikpalj
A very unusual and compelling game, beautifull sadness.
Just finished Kotor again. First time I completed it 100%, with all the sidequests, and even got the Darth Revan robes, something that hasn't happened before.
Now, on to Kotor 2 if I have the time...
Agonising that I can't find Planescape anywhere :(
Sad Orb.
Amazon uk have it used for £24 or so. It seems these old games ultimately return to the same price as a new game. I've experienced the same frustration with Arena posters talking up Birth of the Federation. If I want to buy it, I have to pay the same price as I'd pay for a new game (higher in fact).
I'm not sure it is worth it for BotF. But if you are a hardcore CRPG player, then PST may well be worth it. A lot of people rate it the best CRPG of all time.
The hardest part for me in KotOR 2Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
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And Sonic The Hedgehog RPG.Quote:
Originally Posted by lars573
as much as i loved the KOTORs, i kind of got bored of it after i realised i could go from really good to really bad after just a few conversations/quests... i'd love a Kotor 3 though and i'm also looking forward to the Team Gizka's kotor 2 fix where they are supposedly fixing most of the game
The lure to the Dark Side is strong, but the ability to go back to Light is almost impossible. I love KOTOR for simulating that. Plus, it's MUCH more valuable to be Light Side during the final stages of KOTOR when everything is resistant/immune to Dark Side powers.Quote:
Originally Posted by GiantMonkeyMan
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Originally Posted by AggonyDuck
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Personally, I think Simon said it very well. KOTOR1 had that amazing, fresh look on the SW universe from a gaming perspective, and was extremely well executed and implemented (after the patches, heh). KOTOR2 in my view had a much deeper, darker story than the first one, and it had the potential to have been a much greater game, had Obsidian/LA allowed it to reach it's full potential. In fact one of the things I really liked about KOTOR2 was that of all the SW games/books I've seen/played/read (I haven't read too many of the books TBQH), it's by far the darkest one, far surpassing the Ep. 3 IMO. There's an overall sense of desolation, destruction, like the universe and civiliation is barely hanging on after a huge costly war has been raging for decades. Don't know why I thought that was so well done, probably because I have been getting so sick and tired of all the campy happy-go-lucky type settings that we're used to. Both games were great though and I still play them once in a blue moon. If I had to pick, I'd say the edge goes to KOTOR1.
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I just got to the last fight scene (I think)and I went fulllll Dark Side like I always do in these games, and I'm pretty bummed.Spoiler Alert, click show to read:Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Anyone got some recommendations for specific mods that will make a replay interesting? I'm wishing this game wasn't complete for me, I had so much fun. I'd like to go for another run through but maybe I'll just dust off KOTOR I and get my fix.
You can get the Handmaiden, Prole, if you play a guy. You got the Disciple, right? Well, that explains it.
A..ha. Thanks
You get Visas as LS or DS, also. The only characters you get can which are down to alignment are Mira and Hannharr.
Something I've wondered - does befriending Visas stop you from turning bao-dur/mira (the ls party members) into jedi?Quote:
Originally Posted by Big King Sanctaphrax
I've never had any luck getting them turned, even when I've gone full LS on Visas...
No it doesn't. Just be sure to pick the right conversation choices with mira around. that will boost your influence with her. she will then let you show her the force on nar shadda. Bao-dur is a mystery to me though.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapi
Edit:getting mira to be a jedi does however make it impossible to be full dark side, since the conversation choices get you enough light side points to stop that.