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They aren't only Romans then. They probably are Roman "allies" (that's what type4 and sometimes type3 govts techincally are, even if the RTW system doesn't understand that. (hmmmmm)). If you are fighting those armies of Gauls with some Romans mixed in, the roleplaying element can really help here too - as they are probably coming from a Roman allied territory/city, maybe with the help of a few Roman "advisors" or serving as a core of the whole enemy army.
I only use half-stack legions unless theres national crisis...
1 General,
2 hasati
2 Principes
1 Triarii
1 Equites Romani
1 Roarii(sp?) OR local troup
1 Missile, either of local or Roman
1 Local Auxiliaries.
Though I haven't gone awefully to far into Roman campaigns, (stoped by fustration, new EB releases, and computers breaking down.) I find this works well for my uses and I can destroy most enemies using typical formation. (don't feel like spelling it). Its makes battles challenging and saves money for the most part. Though it does fail me sometimes, like the time during the invasion of Carthage when Hanno(full stack) and another Carthaginian Half stack came upon me and the stack lead by Hanno took on my legion in the area, while the smaller half stack went against recently captured Kart-Hadast... The legion was slaughtered to the last.
The RTR guide seems to really simplify it, 1 half Roman 1 half ally right?
So
1.general
2.cavalry
1.skirmisher
2.hastati
3.principe
4.triarii
And ally troops of the same number
Trying to stick to the following composition. Playing on H/M with RTW 1.5. Using EB v0.81a.
Camillan
The following units are REQUIRED for a legion:
1 General (must be at least 30 and must retire at 60)
1 Assensi (may be any slinger or archer unit)
1 Leves (may be any javelin based skirmisher unit)
1 Rorari
1 Hastati
1 Principle
1 Triari
1 Equite (any type)
Optional units recruited to a Camillan unit based on need:
1 Tribune (must be at least 20)
Allied Unit
Allied Unit
Equite (any type)
Allied or Merc Unit
Allied or Merc Unit
Max 14 units for a Normal Legion **Does not count garrison troops temporarily attached to my legions. They must be held in reserve, only to be used if the line is breaking and no other units are able to help.**
I allow my Faction Leader, Consular, and Ex Consular led legions to have 20 units. Unit composition is same as above but allowed the optional addition of:
1 Assensi (may be any slinger or archer unit)
1 Leves (may be any javelin based skirmisher unit)
1 Rorari
1 Hastati
1 Principle
Equite (any type)
Don't know what I am going to do for Polybian. Haven't got that far yet.
I use the DBA format and go with 12 unit stacks:
2 Velites/Leves
3 Hastati
3 Principes
2 Triarii
1 Equites
1 General
I make the assumption that latin Allies fight in the Roman manner, and that the Accensi and Rorari are camp followers or servants and don't field them in open battle, though I do garrison the odd city with them.
. . . . . . . . . . . .Velites. . . . . . . .Velites.
. . . . . .Hastati. . . . . . .Hastati. . . . . . . .Hastati.
. . . . . . . . . . .Principes. . . . . . .Principes.
. . . . . .Triarii. . . . . . . .Principes. . . . . . .Triarii.
Equites. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .General.
Until I was forced to delete my Roman campaign this morning due to an error where I was stuck in year 199 B.C., when after six attempts in 11 hours I would press the turn button to advance a few months, only for the damn game to inexplicably switch itself off:furious3: :wall: . My Polybian army list would often include:
1 General
1 Tribune
2/4 Cavalry (Equites Romani, Equites Extraordinarii, Gallic horse, Mistrophorioi Hippeis are optional).
3 Triarii
3 Princepes
3 Haststi
2 Alae Pedites/Samnites or otherwise.
2 Velites
2 Toxotoi from Taras, Sicilia or the Greek client states.
My possible army after the Marian Reforms:
1 Legate
1 Tribune
1 Legio Equites ( if available. Failing that, just the tribune).
1 First Cohort ( if available. Failing that, a cohors evocata).
9 Legionary Cohorts.
2/4 Equites Auxilia
2/4 Pedites Auxilia/mercenaries
2 Saggitarii
And maybe some artillery as well.
That about what I use. I follow the RTR guide and it works great for the roll player in me. Only 30+ to command or govern, retire at 60+ and Tribune at 20+ and all that good stuff....would it be taboo to link the RTR guide here? :embarassed:Quote:
Originally Posted by Legio X
Someone (or maybe me or some other Roman dude) should make a role-play/historical guide for EB I suppose. one of you enterprising fans could opt for it :)
for one legion you should have equal numbers of hastati, principes, and triarii. Since an actual legion consisted of 10 maniples of each, Id use maybe 2x of each to represent that, that way its still feasible to have two-legion consular armies, plus your two alae of socii and your general.
**Oh, and in other news, expect a Romani preview at some point in the near future :)
Awesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaknafien
Based on discussions about what troops represent what, I will now go for-
Camillan Consular Army
2 Leves
4 Hastati
4 Principis
4 Triarii
1-2 Equites (Socii/Latins)
1 Family member (Roman Equites)
1 Family member as Consul
Polybian Consular Army
3 Velites
4 Hastati
4 Principis
2-3 Trairii
1-2 Equites (Socii/Latins)
1 Family member (Roman Equites)
1 Family member as Consul
Cheers,
Quilts