Re: One third of the holocaust.
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Well, as a 1/4 Pole myself I can tell you many Poles might have vanished during the Soviet ocupation.
True, but those losses are between 0,5 and 1,5 million.
It is true that overall Poland lost about 10-12 million citizens (from 35 million in 1939) - but from those 'only' 5-6 million were counted as Polish/Jewish ( only the Nazis seen a difference between a Catholic Pole with Jewish grandparents and 'ordinary' 'sub-humans').
Only recently it was decided to FINALLY count the number of people lost during the war, because fate of many is still unknown.
There are many reasons for such a big drop in population of Poland - from genocide and warlosses to forced conscription ( Red Army and Wehrmacht), child abduction ('nordic' children were taken from orphanages and hospitals by Germans), changes in borders, population transfers and emigration. Also many Poles were left abroad after the country was occupied by the Soviets.
2nd WW decomposed the ethnic structure of the entire Central-Eastern Europe after all and in Poland everyone lost someone close (my grandfather's sister died in the Warsaw Uprising 1944).:book:
Re: One third of the holocaust.
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Originally Posted by KrooK
JKarinen sorry but you are not right.
You are making mistake very common into describing holocaust. You are describing holocaust as killing Jews and only Jews from Poland and Germany.
Some facts
1)Not only Jews were killed; Poles, Gypsies (count by most sources as Poles), Russians (mostly POWs) and many other nations.
2)Killed Jews did not come from only from Poland or Germany. There were Jews from Poland, Germany, Hunguary (over 250.000), France, Holland, partially Russia and rest of Balkans.
3)There really were absolutely not 6,5 - 7 million of Jews in Poland. Before war there Jews were about 8-12% community, which gives us about 3.000-3.500.000
4)Math by normal man is not math by nazist. Normal man never put 120 men into wagon, nazist do that without problem. People into Auschwitz didnt have one bed per one man, you must remember it too.
5)Auschwitz it wasn't just a one camp -there were some big camps and many smaller, about 40 km around. So there were enough place.
All in all number of 6 millions killed only into Poland is very possible.
Of course by Poland I understand Poland from 1939, which had different (absolutely unlawful on west) borders than today - some camps were not in Poland and they are being count by nazist to camps into Germany, like Stuthoff or Ravensbruck. If we count Poland into todays border, number would be higher.
I won't even mention Russia where every possible crime were commited by Germans, Ukrainians, Russians or anti communist legions like Dutchmen. There were killed at least 27.000.000.
yeah I messed on that also but I'm not to big with European theater and what went on there i kinda like the pacific my self maybe it's cause i live near it but I still think it's a more intriguing topic
But that was my bad i did a little research after this and found that i misled you guys with my statistics(going by what i thought was plausible and forgot that other people were killed) any ways you make a good point
Re: One third of the holocaust.
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Originally Posted by cegorach
2nd WW decomposed the ethnic structure of the entire Central-Eastern Europe after all and in Poland everyone lost someone close (my grandfather's sister died in the Warsaw Uprising 1944).:book:
Thats sad my G-ma lost her uncle in that
Re: One third of the holocaust.
Yep and my grandparents cousine.
Re: One third of the holocaust.
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Originally Posted by KrooK
Alexander of Macedon
Hoss was very good man to. He was extremely polite to his jewish home servants. Which did not stop him from doing his job.
Hoss was Auschwitz commander.
Which makes me wonder what should he do if that is his job? It's hard to tell really.
