The Pope - Does he tactically ex-communicate?

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Originally Posted by Martok

The Pope doesn't care if you wage war against Orthodox factions (Byz, Russians/Novgorod). If he warns you to stop warring with a Catholic faction, however, and you refuse to comply within 2 years, then yes you'll be excommunicated.

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Sooo if you're warned as the french because you're attacking the Italians, stop attack the Italians immediately but start an attack on another christian faction, you'll be excommunicated "without warning" related to your new enemy?

I think not, as in fact I was allowed to wipe out the Italians after leaving the French mostly alone in my HRE game

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Originally Posted by The Unknown Guy

I think not, as in fact I was allowed to wipe out the Italians after leaving the French mostly alone in my HRE game

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Well, I now recall a strategy I read a while ago in the org... You attack someone and get warned, you obey the warning and are now free to wipe out someone else. There must be some timing, there, though....

Were the Italians excommunicated?

No. Both France and Italy attacked simultaneously.The HRE is fair game for any would-be attacker.

In fact, a latter combined Franco-Hungarian attack has driven me to holding just northern Germany, Scandinavia, Finland, and Burgundy.

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Originally Posted by Caerfanan

Sooo if you're warned as the french because you're attacking the Italians, stop attack the Italians immediately but start an attack on another christian faction, you'll be excommunicated "without warning" related to your new enemy?

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Originally Posted by Caerfanan

Well, I now recall a strategy I read a while ago in the org... You attack someone and get warned, you obey the warning and are now free to wipe out someone else. There must be some timing, there, though....

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Factions can only have only have one Papal warning at a time. So if you attack one Catholic faction and receive a warning from the Pope to leave that faction alone, you are then free (for the next ten years) to attack any other Catholic faction you wish without being excommunicated. :yes:

Players sometimes exploit this game mechanic by attacking a faction they have no interest in. That way when the Pope warns you to stop attacking that faction, you can then go to war with the Catholic faction you *actually* wanted to attack all along. ~;)

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Originally Posted by Martok

Factions can only have only have one Papal warning at a time. So if you attack one Catholic faction and receive a warning from the Pope to leave that faction alone, you are then free (for the next ten years) to attack any other Catholic faction you wish without being excommunicated. :yes:

Players sometimes exploit this game mechanic by attacking a faction they have no interest in. That way when the Pope warns you to stop attacking that faction, you can then go to war with the Catholic faction you *actually* wanted to attack all along. ~;)

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Hehehe.... I'll think about using it, though I would consider this as "cheating"... What I like is how excommunication disappears, when your king dies, or so. You can always start a war with an old king, if the excomm costs you too much in rebellions, juste send your king die fr his deeds!

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Originally Posted by Caerfanan

Hehehe.... I'll think about using it, though I would consider this as "cheating"...

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All things being equal, I would agree. However, it's sometimes the only way to get back at a faction that attacked you without being threatened with excommunication. (Anyone who's had their ships sunk by the Sicilians knows what I'm talking about. ~D)

If the Pope had been programmed to warn off *all* aggressors, I would never employ this tactic. Since he only punishes the larger faction in any dispute, however, I find this to be an acceptable workaround of the problem. (Besides, if I want to deliberately risk a two-front war, then that's my choice. ~;)) I know a lot of people don't agree with me on this -- indeed, I probably hold the minority opinion on this issue -- but I find that otherwise, the Pope is simply too frustrating to deal with if I don't utilize this particular exploit.

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Originally Posted by Caerfanan

What I like is how excommunication disappears, when your king dies, or so. You can always start a war with an old king, if the excomm costs you too much in rebellions, juste send your king die fr his deeds!

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Yep, you gotta love being able to do that. :thumbsup:

I must look at this rather differently to others, as I enjoy the challenge of being excommunicated. Once my faction has given the official two fingers to the Papacy I usually proceed to smash those annoying neighbours that have been giving me grief. Then el Papa will get slightly miffed and demand that his cronies crusade against me, and if that happens it's a bonus, as I'll do everything in my power to ensure the enemy crusades fail. When that happens it's civil war for them, and I am there to take full advantage. :yes:

The Pope will forever bow down to my Pagan Lithuanian cavalry and warriors, muahahaha!:laugh4: I don't have to worry about that glorified bishop at the moment, luckily. :2thumbsup:

When you're playing as the HRE or a large faction with small enemies, it won't matter too much if you get excommed anyway. They can attack you as fair game anyway, so where's the point?

If you're playing HRE, wipe out the little squirts like the Bohemians (XL) one by one by one, excom or no excom.:skull: :skull: :skull:

Yours,


Vytautas LT

In VI/PM do the same to anyone who goes at war with you. Be it Italians, french, or anything. Because even if you win peace, sooner or later someone else will attack you, and they will lash out again. Now I have a campaign hanging around where I hold the north, and bits and pieces of the south, to a rampaging franco-hungarian force.