No, as English as Yorkshire Pudding. But what's odd about calling the Vikings Danes? Didn't England used to pay them Danegeld? And aren't they called that in both MTW and M2TW?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lillehammer
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No, as English as Yorkshire Pudding. But what's odd about calling the Vikings Danes? Didn't England used to pay them Danegeld? And aren't they called that in both MTW and M2TW?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lillehammer
I think Lillehammer is asking why you didn't refer to the Vikings as the Norwegians instead of the Danes. It was the Norwegians that owned the Shetland & Orkney Islands, as well as being the last Norse people (aside from the Normans themselves) to have launched a major invasion of England. ~:)Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
The invasion of most of England by Vikings in the 9th century and its subsequent reconquest by Wessex is what made England a united state. Thereafter it was England. One can go and read documents from the time in which Kings referred to themselves as "King of England" or "King of the English and Danes", etc, etc. England continued to be attacked by Viking after that, and was conquered entirely around the turn of the millenium, so yes "England" was attacked by "Vikings".
And there was definitely no "Vikings" in the 13th century. Notwithstanding that medieval historians still can't agree on exactly who the Vikings were and when the "Viking Age" began and ended, it had definitely ended by the 12th century.
The video, it stopped loading midway through, how tragic!
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Originally Posted by Lillehammer
Ooh, I want to swear now.
Do an internet search for Largs and Vikings. Go on.
How many references are there? About 7,000? Including Vikingaar, the UK Viking society and many many others.
An awful lot of people talking about the Vikings and largs and scottish invasions methinks. Now just because you're outnumbered 7,000 to 1 doesn't make you wrong.
Outnumbered, lonely and sad, yes, but not wrong.
However it doesn't make me wrong either, and at least I have the tyranny of the majority with me.
Now I did the Vikings at University in medieval hsitory and I know that the classic "Vikings" (Danes is a perfectly acceptable term too) is usually around 10 C but some people here refer to the commonly held terms for simplicity. Perhaps you should learn to relax.
Fair enough - I will defer to someone called Lillehammer when discussing Scandinavian history. However, while I may be ignorant, I must protest at being referred to as an "American" on account of that shortcoming. That is just insulting to the good folk over the pond.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martok
Lillehammer, you've managed to offend at least two Orgahs (Moah and I) in your first two posts. That's not cool.
Agreed.
If I may add, with all due respect, this thread is about discussiing the video. I posted this for information, as I thought it hasn't been posted yet.
It's NOT a precise history debate/discussion anyway. It's certainly not meant to be an argument or flamefest.
So if it can't be kept civil, please take it to private messaging or take it elsewhere.
SALUTE !
I bet William Wallace has some in-game war cry, screaming "Freedom!".
I offended you?!Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
Come on! It's ok not knowing much about Scandinavia or its history, but labelling all vikings "Danes", is just plain ignorant. There were Danish vikings, Swedish vikings and Norwegian vikings.
Hell, even the guy in the video said norwegian vikings, so why did you feel the need to f#¤% it up by naming them Danes? It really puzzled me.
If anything, you offended me.
Do a search for Norwegians and Largs as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by scot
No, definitely not!Quote:
Originally Posted by scot
It amazes me you can believe if you have studied viking history.
Calling them vikings is totally ok, and that's what 90% of the worlds population does, but then again there has to be some idiot who goes around labelling them all as danes.
Crazy how a tiny spark can ignite such flames. :juggle2:
Tschüß!
Erich
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Originally Posted by Lillehammer
Yep. So they were Norwegian vikings. I shortened that to vikings. You told me that was wrong and they were Norwegians NOT Vikings.
As for Danish/Norwegian/Swedish vikings: Err..So my vikings at largs were norwegian vikings. Vikings. Like I said. Which you yourself just said is ok. I'm a little confused about your objection to my posts now.
Referring to all vikings as Danes, if that's what was done by econ, was inaccurate but merely a mistake. I understand - I get just as narkey when people refer to scots as english - but no need to be quite as offensive.
BTW - was the changing of my name intended to be deliberately offensive too?
My reference to using Danes as ok was not that all vikings were danes but that the danes were vikings - not in reference to this invasion. I can see how that wasn't clear. Sorry about that.
Helpful Hint: Check Econ21's rank man......
No, I wouldn't say they were vikings at this time. My last response was merely a response to Econ on how he called vikings, "Danes". I didn't mention whether the troops at Largs were vikings or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moah
Well, honestly it doesn't happen often, but it really got my blood boiling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moah
No, I couldn't remember your name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moah
That's ok. Guess I misunderstood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moah
So because he's some high-ranked guy he can spout all kinds of bullshit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moah
I believe what Moah is trying to say is that econ is a moderator who has obviously been around for a long time. Someone who can possibly get you banned or otherwise if you continue to spout swear words, dear sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lillehammer
Tschüß!
Erich
Ahem. Let's get back on topic please. The topic is the video of the Kingdoms expansion for M2TW, and generally the expansion itself.
Lillehammer, I repeat, what offended me was your insinuation that all ignorant people must be American. That's just silly country-bashing.
I really don't care whether the blokes in the video were Norwegians, Danes, Vikings, Norwegian Vikings or Danish Vikings. I watched the video late in the evening and did not pick up on the nomenclature during the stuttering. In replying to you, I readily conceded my ignorance on the matter. For you to then say that I was talking "bullshit" shows a lack of grace I suppose I must come to expect from your posts. Welcome to the Org.
Sorry, Tincow. :creep:
You don't think the English fought Danes?Quote:
Uh... what?
American by any chance?
Ignoramus by any chance?
The only way you could *possibly* interpret econ's remark as saying that "all vikings were danish" is if you are gifted with a stupidity beyond the lot of mortals, or are deliberately trying to troll and stir up trouble.Quote:
It's ok not knowing much about Scandinavia or its history, but labelling all vikings "Danes", is just plain ignorant.
Given the history of your posts, I suspect the latter.
Childish "You called this group of people by the wrong name!" complaints are among the most tediously tiresome to read, and the most completely irrelevent to the game's 'historical accuracy'.
How is this any relevant to the video?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ulstan
He surely draws no line between a norwegian viking or a danish viking. So yes, I'll assume that's what he's saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ulstan
Nationality is irrelevant to this game? What are you on?! ~:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ulstan
While we're at, lets call the danish russian and the byzantines turkish.
I suggest you read this trough one more time and try again :sweatdrop:
Dansk, ikke sant?
Really? Where do you get that from? Please quote econ anywhere saying that Norwegians and Danish are the same group of people.Quote:
He surely draws no line between a norwegian viking or a danish viking
Looks like we found your problem.Quote:
I'll assume that's what he's saying.
Assume less and maybe you won't look like such an ass?
I think you need to step back, take a goooood deep breath, maybe count to 10, all that stuff, and then try engaging in dicussion again, only this time, reading what is actually written instead of randomly leaping to wild and bizarre conclusions.Quote:
Nationality is irrelevant to this game?
Strictly speaking, there are 3 kinds of vikings. He already labeled norwegians as danes, I bet most people would assume he labeled the swedish vikings the same way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ulstan
Or maybe you should explain it a little better?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ulstan
What are you really saying? That labeling norwegians as danes is irrelevant and not worth explaining?
This is not just calling them by the wrong name, but calling them a totally different nationality.
Actually, most people didn't care.Quote:
I bet most people would assume he labeled the swedish vikings the same way
You should consider joining their number, instead of making random assumptions.
Really? Where? Where did econ say "Norwegians are Danes"?Quote:
He already labeled norwegians as danes
In the end, no one really cares what generic phrase someone uses to indicate "Scandinavian Invaders from Over the Sea" whether it's Vikings, Danes, Norsemen, Norwegians, Northmen, Swedes, etc.
It is known that these invaders so referenced may be any or all of these nationalities, and thus quibbling over the exact phrase used is bizarre and foolish. All the more so since you insist upon referring to these groups as "Vikings" when the viking age is considered by most scholars to have ended somewhat earlier.
I can just imagine Lillehammer in the 18th century...
Paul Revere "The British are coming the British are coming!"
Lillehammer: "What a load of bull! You just called all inhabitants of the British Isles British, when everyone knows there are Welsh and Irish and Scottish. You really are a silly ass, Paul Revere"
I know its easy for you to sit there and critizise, but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't just stay silent if he made the same mistake to your nationality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ulstan
Really? Where? Where did econ say "Norwegians are Danes"?[/QUOTE]
Why should I bother? You will twist your way out of it.
You know what I'm talking about and you'll find the post on the first page.
You mean this one of econs?
Which he later explained as:Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
So he said he was not paying attention to the video and so said Danes instead of Norwegians.Quote:
I really don't care whether the blokes in the video were Norwegians, Danes, Vikings, Norwegian Vikings or Danish Vikings. I watched the video late in the evening and did not pick up on the nomenclature during the stuttering. In replying to you, I readily conceded my ignorance on the matter. For you to then say that I was talking "bullshit" shows a lack of grace I suppose I must come to expect from your posts. Welcome to the Org.
That may be true in the early parts of the viking expansion, but later cases were better documented.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ulstan
Yes, lets just call them whatever we wish. That's how history is written.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ulstan
You can't have read my post. My point is that I have no problem with people calling them vikings (although inaccurate), it's better than calling them danish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ulstan
We are not living in the 18th century now, so what's your excuse for disregarding accuracy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ulstan
Meh, it's just another guy aggroing over a small thing and then name-calling like a petulant toddler.
It was a pretty good preview. What draws me the most to it is, however, the idea of the Baronial Revolt feature. That could really open up a very good classical M:TW feature to the main M2:TW campaign. However, I can also see this feature having it's flaws - without the ability to remove your own generals, as in M:TW, the Baronial revolt would not be able to be stopped before it started.
So what's all this about the Danes?
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Originally Posted by Furious Mental
I think they post drunk and angry? At least one seems to.
:laugh4:
I'm afraid this thread has gone way off-track, despite the warning from TinCow to stick to the topic.
Closed.