Animal Fight!

I'd say the big problem the lion would have would just be the necessity of getting and keeping a hold of the throat or face (and gorillas don't have long snouts to clamp on to like the animals lions usually hunt either) - because the 'rilla sure as Hell isn't going to just sit tight and take it, but will do its damnedest to get the big cat off. And not only is their throat a little difficult to reach to begin with, they've got actual proper arms and lots of horsepower to manhandle the kitty with.

There's some pretty good reasons why carnivores tend to leave gorillas alone.

Granted, the 'rilla doesn't have the most brilliant offensive weaponry around, but it ought to be able to seriously bruise the lion if given sufficient incentive. While it does have a set of teeth that could pass for weapons in a pinch there's the problem that the about only place most animals could effectively bite a full-grown lion in - the throat/neck area - is in the males rather well protected by the thick mane. Conversely there's not really too much in a grown gorilla a lion could really hurt either - the big ape has quite enough fur and muscle that the about exact only place the teeth are going to work on (if even there) is the neck, which is uncooperatively short and deeply set between the shoulders and hardly going to be very easy to reach while its owner is trying to swat you off. And the claws are solely for getting a hold while the jaws do the job anyway, and aren't going to do anything more than very superficial damage.

Endgame, a solitary lion isn't going to risk it unless seriously desperate or mad. If the two now did fight to the death for some reason my money would be on the gorilla, due to its better ability to actually hurt the other side. Carnivores in general tend to have trouble with big animals that actually fight back, which is exactly why they normally avoid trying to take those down to begin with - little point in risking serious injury for such poor odds of success.

Gorillas have a very powerful bite. The lion has more to worry about than just beatings.

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Originally Posted by Kralizec

Also lions get laid more then gorrilas.

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The little advantage the lion may have is wasted on something that won't win this fight.

Right well naturally obviously they wouldnt fight or probably even encounter each other. But, let's imagine a deep-walled pitfight, perhaps a circle with a 10m radius. Both creatures have been kept hungry and angered by prodding or electric shock to get them sufficiently riled up.

Lions are far from endurant. I think the gorilla would win if it was a serious fight due to superior endurance etc. But most likely, they will both try to avoid battle since neither has anything to gain from it since they don't compete for the same resources to any greater extent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wiJGJxm4bo

That reminds me...

You have to begin by asking yourself how would such a fight occur.

The only way you could get the two to face off would be to put them in a small enclosed area (drop them into a pit or something). Any mobility and they both would find safer ground. The enclosed environment definitely favors the gorilla.Advantage: gorilla.

Now, the next question would be fighting style. The lion would try (unsucessfully) to get behind the gorilla. Yes, the lion is quick, but the gorilla is no sloth, it can be pretty quick itself. So the lion would be forced to make a frontal assault. Bad move. Unless the lion got really lucky and managed to latch onto the throat in it's first attack, the gorilla would immediately grapple it and start choking it. Advantage: gorilla.

In terms of sheer strength, I think the gorilla has got that lion beat, though lions are pretty strong themselves. Advantage: gorilla.


I'm sorry, I just can't imagine a scenario where the lion can win. It would require the element of surprise to beat the gorilla. Yes, the lion is capable of surprise in the wild, but the lion wouldn't fight the gorilla given any option. The only way they'd be forced to fight would preclude the element of surprise.

Ole Donkey Kong would whup Sylvetser's ass....

I think we can call this one for the gorilla, but much as at Zak's work, the lion backers ain't gonna be swayed. Wanna start another one, Zak?

With Zak's permission, we have a 2nd bout on the card this evening, ladies and gentlemen.

Round 2:

In this corner, we have an adult male polar bear, fully healthy:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...-bear-62_4.jpg

and in this corner, an adult male Saltwater crocodile:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v.../crocodile.jpg

My money's on the crocodile. A few snaps of that tail and the bear won't be able to raise his paws, let alone take a swipe at the crocodile.

hm, thats a good one, could be similar to this done by Animal Face-Off (Bear vs Alligator) in which the bear won. I think itd all be dependent on enviroment, but in our neutral pit-fight, I think the bear has the weight and strength advantage because the croc can't do his death roll on the ground.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVIinTtxLDY

Gorilla vs Lion I'd say gorilla. He'd have a whole bunch of mates to help out, whereas the lion would just have a disinterested harem.

Polar Bear vs Croc depends. On whose turf are they fighting?

Actually, the saltwater croc has a significant size advantage. Most adult male polar bears weigh between 600lbs and 1300lbs. They measure roughly up to 10 ft in length.

The saltwater crocodile weighs about 1700 lbs and is 16 feet in length. Besides, the crocodile is armoured. The bear would have to bludgeon the croc to death, not an easy feat with the croc whipping that tail at the bear's paws.

The polar teddies are absurdly good swimmers, but I'm pretty sure aquatic combat isn't exactly their forte. Crocs conversely aren't exactly at their best on dry land, primarily waterborne pouncers as they now are.

If you want to have a proper lif und daas ströögel, I think you need to pick animals on equal footing as it were.

ok, How about a polar bear versus a walrus?

The bear may well lose that one. Walruses are so sodding huge, and so well padded with blubber, it's extremely difficult for the pollies to take an adult one down. And those tusks are dangerous. I recently watched a nature documentary where a desperate, starving polar bear tried to snatch a young one from the midst of a... whatchamacallit, pile resting on a beach. Endgame was that a few adult walruses shielding their cubs received minor wounds, and the bear later died of its injuries...

In both cases the clear winner is Ron Paul.

The gorilla would be to blame for the lion attacking it as it has "silver" on its back, no dobut residue from his corporation mining in the lion's territory.

The polar bear would be held accountable for the crocodile attacking and killing it. Afterall, the polar bear is white. Instant Jesse Jackson endorsment.

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Polar Bear vs. Walrus (Gory)

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Polar Bear vs. Walrus (Gory)

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Talk about bloodbath :dizzy2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7Mu...elated&search=

Wow :dizzy2:

Grizzly's are pussies.

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Originally Posted by Watchman

I'd say the big problem the lion would have would just be the necessity of getting and keeping a hold of the throat or face (and gorillas don't have long snouts to clamp on to like the animals lions usually hunt either)

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Fair enough. I imagine lions can improvise and mangle gorilla arms as well. I don't believe the lion will win without getting a few severe bruises and serious bite injuries.

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There's some pretty good reasons why carnivores tend to leave gorillas alone.

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Mostly because they live in large groups of up to thirty gorillas, my friend. This highlights how gorillas will be handicapped in fight experience, as previously stated. Even in gorilla versus gorilla fights, most of those fights are mere ritualistic standing, chest-thumping, roaring, running around, beating the ground and tearing of plants. Gorilla fight experience is mostly against plants. hmmm.

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Carnivores in general tend to have trouble with big animals that actually fight back, which is exactly why they normally avoid trying to take those down to begin with - little point in risking serious injury for such poor odds of success.

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Except lions, once they have acquired a taste of it, have been known to also down full grown elephants.

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Someone mentioned gorillas choking lions. They don't know how to choke. If they did, then maybe there would be more gorilla deaths by strangulation instead of by beating!

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I don't appreciate how the lion supporters are being treated in this thread. I'm not done debating Lion vs. Gorilla yet, and so I refuse to take a part in this new Polar Bear vs. Saltwater Crocodile debate. Suffice to say, I will be very pissed at any and all mentions of gorillas or references to gorillas beating lions. I might even start shouting in text!

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Originally Posted by Kuni

Fair enough. I imagine lions can improvise and mangle gorilla arms as well. I don't believe the lion will win without getting a few severe bruises and serious bite injuries.

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Mangle ? What with ? Gorilla arms are pretty much just thick muscle covered with hide and fur. The lion bites down on that, and all it's going to cause is superficial injuries - and it'll also be neatly fixing itself in place for the 'rilla to clobber with the other arm.

Plus animals don't think tactics. They work by instinct. And the leonine hardwired combat programming says "go for the throat" - it's not going to even try at the limbs unless those get in the way. A wolf for example might actually try to hamstring the big ape first, but that't not the way lions hunt.

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Mostly because they live in large groups of up to thirty gorillas, my friend. This highlights how gorillas will be handicapped in fight experience, as previously stated. Even in gorilla versus gorilla fights, most of those fights are mere ritualistic standing, chest-thumping, roaring, running around, beating the ground and tearing of plants. Gorilla fight experience is mostly against plants. hmmm.

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...and lion "fighting experience" consists mostly of running down herbivores trying to flee, in groups. They actually tend to get in trouble if some of the bigger grass-munchers with pointy things on their heads turn at the bay and the lion's mates don't arrive soon. And the way they fight each other is flatly incompatible with how one would have to fight a gorilla.

The point is, gorillas are simply too big and, thus, strong and dangerous for any predator in their native environment to even take a shot at - troop or no. They're also not terribly good at running away, which means when sorely pressed they're that much more likely to turn and fight.
And lions are conversely first and foremost pack hunters; the size of prey a lone one can realistically try to take down is far less impressive than what a proper pride can manage.

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Except lions, once they have acquired a taste of it, have been known to also down full grown elephants.

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Well, yes - solitary ones, and they need the full weight of a pride to hold it down so they can suffocate it. AFAIK the likes of hippopotami and rhinoceros are Right Out.

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Someone mentioned gorillas choking lions. They don't know how to choke. If they did, then maybe there would be more gorilla deaths by strangulation instead of by beating!

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I don't think the structure of a gorilla's hand would even allow for that kind of grip - nevermind now that neither other gorillas nor male lions have very accessible windpipes anyway.

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Originally Posted by Kralizec

Grizzly's are pussies.

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Most animals back down from opposition that just isn't going to yield and primises a fair bit of pain if you try to kill it. Mustelids seem to have made something of a common strategy out of that; the little psychos usually won't back down from any size of animal, with the end result that for example wolverines can scare off full-grown bears and small wolf packs and tiny little weasels are perfectly willing to bite you in the ankle if you mess with them.
Most carnivores just don't want to deal with that kind of berserker attitude.

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Originally Posted by Kuni

I don't appreciate how the lion supporters are being treated in this thread. I'm not done debating Lion vs. Gorilla yet, and so I refuse to take a part in this new Polar Bear vs. Saltwater Crocodile debate. Suffice to say, I will be very pissed at any and all mentions of gorillas or references to gorillas beating lions. I might even start shouting in text!

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You want the discussion to continue and at the same time you announce to get pissed when anyone says the G-word?

A helpless herbivore and a big mean pussycat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6Ny...elated&search=

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Originally Posted by TosaInu

You want the discussion to continue and at the same time you announce to get pissed when anyone says the G-word?

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I'm not certain, but I took Kuni's comments to be a satire on the way many threads, especially those of a political nature, tend to go in the Backroom.

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Originally Posted by Watchman

Most animals back down from opposition that just isn't going to yield and primises a fair bit of pain if you try to kill it. Mustelids seem to have made something of a common strategy out of that; the little psychos usually won't back down from any size of animal, with the end result that for example wolverines can scare off full-grown bears and small wolf packs and tiny little weasels are perfectly willing to bite you in the ankle if you mess with them.
Most carnivores just don't want to deal with that kind of berserker attitude.

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Of course, but that doesn't make that clip look any less silly.

Is there anything involving swans ? I understand those are ornery enough in the defense of their nests to chase grown bears away too...

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

I'm not certain, but I took Kuni's comments to be a satire on the way many threads, especially those of a political nature, tend to go in the Backroom.

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Backroom.

Is Gorilla politically correct anyway? Those people who slept through only 90% of their biology courses believe they are to be called "thumb impaired slightly bent over humans". "Gorilla" is just "the man" trying to keep apes...apes.

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Originally Posted by Kralizec

Male lion skulls are pretty durable, having to headbutt other males to get their share of booty makes it necessary. Why do you think they have manes?

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Trust me, educated guesses say that the gorrilla will win. But I cant help but wonder about the fight...

It's kinda given it could not be described as "elegant" by any stretch, anyway...

well gorillas are 98% identical to human DNA, ya know.