Darth Dark Formations for EB

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Originally Posted by mlp071

Not a common thing(that i know of), it looks to me that AI used them as light infantry, in lack of it.

Ai has a list of preference for each position in formation, if unit that is first on the list is not available then AI go down the list till find one.If there is none from that list, AI will chose on it's own:no:

I would believe thats what happened.

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Ok thats make sense

But what is the best unit composition for my roman legions i mean how many archer/skirmishers, tiari, principles, cavalry do i need in 1 legion so this mod can use the legion to the max where its made for

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Originally Posted by Sassem

Ok thats make sense

But what is the best unit composition for my roman legions i mean how many archer/skirmishers, tiari, principles, cavalry do i need in 1 legion so this mod can use the legion to the max where its made for

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There is post with historical army compositions somewhere on forum. I always try to play according to that one. There will be always chance that Ai can misplace unit ( nothing that we can do about it).

But don't forget that you had only 8 units in your army, so there was a big chance that you were missing some type of unit.And AI had only 3 , so he had to come up with some melee fighters:idea2:

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Originally Posted by Quirinus Kuhlmann

I have one more question about changing the width of the deployed units in darths dark formations: Do I have to replace the "min_unit_width" and "max_unit_width" lines only in the "decr_formations.txt" or in both txt.-files?

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Actually, it only needs to be edited in descr_formations_ai.txt.
You don't have to touch descr_formations.txt. I know it sounds like i have it backwards but only descr_formations_ai.txt is necessary.

Thank you very much for the help, Lysander!

Edit: Just tried it, seems to work fine. Thanx again!

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Originally Posted by mlp071

There is post with historical army compositions somewhere on forum. I always try to play according to that one. There will be always chance that Ai can misplace unit ( nothing that we can do about it).

But don't forget that you had only 8 units in your army, so there was a big chance that you were missing some type of unit.And AI had only 3 , so he had to come up with some melee fighters:idea2:

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Ok thanks,

Just had my polybian reforms

my polybian army composition is

1 general
2 cavalry
5 hastati
5 principes
3 triarrii
2 hastati samnitici
2 velites

but i'm still l:dizzy2: king for a big fight with these legions

setting is huge and playing VH/M

i will keep you informed with screen shots if you like

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Originally Posted by Quirinus Kuhlmann

Thank you very much for the help, Lysander!

Edit: Just tried it, seems to work fine. Thanx again!

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Good to hear...Enjoy :2thumbsup:

Had a fight with my polybian army against a full stack from Carthage (sorry forgot the eb name)

they had 2 generals 4 heavy spearman 2 heavy assault troops and 2 of those iberian heavy lancers cavalry and allot of medium spearman

in short the infantry was acting ok but my cavalry now controlled also by ai went around and attacked a group of heavy spearman and a general and they were not yet engaged in the main fight of course they received unnecessary heavy beating

and my general was staying a little bit far behind my troops and attacked a few times the mainforce head on

https://img257.imageshack.us/img257/...14ebxd2.th.png

The best way to fight with a polybian legion is like this. First you must deploy your units in squares, each square represents one maniple. You need 4 maniples each of Hastati and Principe, and 3 of Triarii, there where always fewer Triarii then the other two. Now in a legion there normally there was 1200 each of Hastati and Principe and the same amount of Velites, so you will need 4. In a standard legion there was about 300 cavalry, I usally take two or one, as there is always the Consular bodyguard. Fill the remaining option with Accensi, there are worth it.

Now, when you go to battle deploy your legions in a checkboard formation, Hastati in front, Principe behind and triarii the third line. Leave the Accensi behind the Triarii. Deploy the velites between the maniples of hastati, and deactivate the skirmish mode. When you attack, shower your enemies with javlins, then attack first with Hastati then the Principe. If you are attacked take a defensive approach. Wait for the enemy to be within javlin range, shower them, then pull back the velites out of harm way and fill in the gaps with the Principe. Only use the Triarii to help in desperate situations, and try to outflank with the cavalry. If you what to add some italian allies replace the Hastati with the Hastati Samnitici and Principe with the samnites milites. sadly there are no replacments for the Triarii, but the Classic italian Hoplites will do.

Cheers.

Is it compatible with First cohor mod?

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Originally Posted by Blingerman

Is it compatible with First cohor mod?

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Yes it is, as this file will not overwrite any file in the First Cohort Mod or vice versa.

Edit: This is true presuming the only 2 files contained in this download are descr_formations.txt and descr_formations_ai.txt.

Darth has a non-mod specific version of the formation files in his formations Super Pack. Does this not work with EB?

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Originally Posted by mcantu

Darth has a non-mod specific version of the formation files in his formations Super Pack. Does this not work with EB?

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No it doesn't , since you have to match formations with factions and their names in EB. Plus those are based on vanila strenghts of units, which are different then EB ones.

Modification includes combination of , what i have found most appropriate formations to match EB units.Unfortunatelly, nothing cannot be perfect due to many things.But i have intention to fix some stuff in 0.9.

I personally was not to happy with behavior in battles with that non-mod, units were not trying to flank much.

Hi
I have been trying lately to do the modification the Lysander13 explained a couple of posts sooner.

However, when the "replace all" function, the notepad always end up freezing and doing all the replacements manually is time consuming, is there any reasons why notepad would freeze like that?

Thanks

Don't know any reason, but you could try to do the replacement in another tool, such as Wordpad.

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Originally Posted by Patriote

Hi
I have been trying lately to do the modification the Lysander13 explained a couple of posts sooner.

However, when the "replace all" function, the notepad always end up freezing and doing all the replacements manually is time consuming, is there any reasons why notepad would freeze like that?

Thanks

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I am not sure why is that happening , but i am certain that is not caused by specific file.

As Bovi suggested , try wordpad:2thumbsup:

Why haven't think of that myself ? :sweatdrop:

Thanks for the info !

I'm gonna try that soon enough :2thumbsup:

Hi mlp071,


Still enjoying the mod but noticed something

It's with the testudo formations

If you have to deploy your army the distance between your soldiers is normal but when your playing en go to testudo formation and then let them go form a normal battleline the spaces between the soldiers is much smaller almost a sort of shieldwall

please take a look at the picture it explains it al lot better I hope ps the new formed (shieldwall) formation is superb BTW a lot lesser casualties:2thumbsup:


https://img66.imageshack.us/img66/932/testudo1ad9.gif

Just one let you know thanks for this mod again

i am looking through this formations_ai and some of the min and max already have a ; before them
will it confuse things? as the autoreplace sees the min value and still puts the ; before it making it look like this
;;min_unit_width
with two ;

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Originally Posted by Sassem

Hi mlp071,


Still enjoying the mod but noticed something

It's with the testudo formations

If you have to deploy your army the distance between your soldiers is normal but when your playing en go to testudo formation and then let them go form a normal battleline the spaces between the soldiers is much smaller almost a sort of shieldwall

please take a look at the picture it explains it al lot better I hope ps the new formed (shieldwall) formation is superb BTW a lot lesser casualties:2thumbsup:


https://img66.imageshack.us/img66/932/testudo1ad9.gif

Just one let you know thanks for this mod again

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Everything has that. It has nothing to do with this mod. Vanilla RTW has that.

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i am looking through this formations_ai and some of the min and max already have a ; before them
will it confuse things? as the autoreplace sees the min value and still puts the ; before it making it look like this
;;min_unit_width
with two ;

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Those make the line of code following it be invisible to RTW. Try it: type ; before a random line of text and it will have absolutely no effect on your game.

does this work with 1.0? you would think so, but I just want to make sure.

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Originally Posted by Spoofa

does this work with 1.0? you would think so, but I just want to make sure.

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I'll repeat what I said in the other formation thread: yes, it will work in EB 1.0, but the EB has been working on their own formations, so you may want to give them a try before overwriting them with Darth's.

I already have, and I just prefer darth's more.