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Yes, Chalkis shall fall before the next Hegemon is chosen! It is in our interest to first liberate all those who have to live under the harsh Makedonian Hand, then we can think of "adding" other city states to our cause, the greater good for all Hellenes!
haha, I love the propaganda-machine
just wondering, when Agathokles Rhodios dies, who will i be? :beam:
"Yes I agree tat at this time invading Crete is a useless endeavor. Freeing the rest of our bretheren from Makedonian control is a more worthy task than adding already free states to our cause. I would be proud to lead the force to either Chalkis our the small island east of Athens.I just hope we 'philosophers' are capable of leading your Spartans Akratatos."
OO:I do suggest getting that island of Eubea (or whatever it is called).I can't tell you how many times Makedonia built an army there and attacked Athens when I play.
in good time, though someone should do some testing and see which one is economically and strategically better...Quote:
Originally Posted by EasternScourge
taking Eubea takes a city from our enemy but is close to Pontos and Seleukeia, potential enemies... taking Crete is one independent city down, a hundred more to go, but it is easier to defend and further from other enemies, and may be better economically... i don't know
I will move against Chalkis, and free them from Makedonian rule.
I think your confusing the island of Euboea (with it's capital at Chalkis), which lies across a rather narrow strait from Athenai, with the island of Lesbos (with it's capital at Mytilene), which lies on the other side of the Aegean, near Pergamon. Taking Mytilene will require an invasion force of some size. It will likely get us involved with the politics of Asia Minor before we want it.Quote:
Originally Posted by KuKulzA
Well, fellow councilmen it has been another year, and I hear that our friend in Rhodos is doing better... or at least he is well enough to observe the women...
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I have also, due to the large income from tax we have recieved, deemed it fit to make full use of the land cleared near the Spartan coast and started construction on a full scale port to increase the trade and allow ships to come and go more frequently and in larger numbers.
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I also have started the construction of a basic military barracks in Kornithos to provide a military base from which to recruit, and retrain our troops, the men in this city-state are stout, and similiar in build to Spartan's, I look forward to see what these men can do in a real battle.
Back to war talk,
I I had created a ram with the wood from the nearby forest, the wood here is strong enough for military useage on ships.
By fall we had finished the ram, and processed to attack the walls.
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Their towers were weakly placed and we avoided casualties on the way to the gate. After we reached the gate we processed to ram.
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my men waited in loose formation to prevent possible casualties from the towers and the javalins from their leves.
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After we had broken through the gate my men rushed forward, the leves fled on the sight of our fearsome charge
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We slowly, and calmly marched down the main street to the town square in a deep formation, there was nothing they could throw at us to push us back.
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Once we reached the town square, four brave men charged our entire formation alone, I salute these men, they had more heart then the entire garrison combined, but alas, their lived ended on the speartips of my spartan warriors.
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The rest of the cowardly garrison waited and watched as the four brave men charged on, I saw their faces, they were afraid, these men were not fighting material, they were not soldiers, they were farmers, and sheep herders, men who worked in the city making clothes, or even boys too young to even hold a Doru up correctly and jab it effectively.
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I ordered the charge and my men went wild with bloodlust, every man rushed forward, holding the Phalanx formation was not necessary, for these leves could hardly fight, my men chose their target and killed him, then did the same again, every man there that stood against us was stabbed with spear.
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meanwhile, the Athenians I had taken with me were holding outside the wall to prevent interference that the reinforcing army might cause.
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The enemy reinforcements were all full of leves and skirmisher cavalry, their javalins rained down upon the athenians and the spartan Peltastai returned the favor.
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Finally, the enemy cavalry charged into the athenians...
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the enemy leves foolishly charged the spartans, and the spartans charged right back...
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The end of that battle was a complete victory. We suffered few casualties.
Afterwards I setup pacification of the town, even though they were glad to be liberated, It was necessary to prevent the possibility of any makedonian loyalists from envoking rebellion.
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The spy I had recruited has been trained and is ready for his duty in Thessalonia.
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During the winter of 271 after my victory Makedonia decided they have had enough of our taking of their southern provinces and sent an army to athenai to lay seige, alas my term is over and enless I am voted in again I can not legally send my army to attack them enless ordered by the Hegemon
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By the way, in Chalkis I have also ordered the clearing of land on the coast, due to the success of the port in Sparte, I deemed it necessary for us to create one to ensure a larger flow of income into our treasury.
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very nice
Well, if we're going to be voting on Hegemon, I'll look into setting up a poll for the term of Spring 270-Winter269
I would like to add that I seemed to have fixed the problem (although I'm not sure how) so I can finally play. I'll be running for Hegemon in the upcoming election. Whoever is elected, it looks like they'll have their hands full with the conquest of northern Greece.
In regards to our newly conquered territories, I'm looking into a system (along with Basileus Seleukiea)we can use in order to better represent the fact that we're supposed to be a league of city-states, and not an empire. I would like to work out something where we give control of Korinthos to Sparte, while Chalkis will go to Athenai. This means the governor of Sparte will choose the governor of Korinthos, and the governor of Athenai will choose the governor of Chalkis. The city-state of Rhodos will recieve control of future territories as allocated by the council.
I feel that we should advise the new Hegemon, whomever that may be, to recall Akrotatos and his army from Euboea to relieve the city of Athens. Following this battle, the council can decide the best course of action concerning northern Greece.
BTW, Spoofa, good work. I especially liked how you distinguished between the Athenian troops and Spartan troops. Very cool.
I agree with Bootsuiv, great work SpoofaM, it would be nice to elect you as hegemon again, but perhaps we should we should let others give it a try first.
I have a question and a suggestion.
1) How many years until Chremonides' sons come of age, as well as the son of Rhodius?
Also i support the sending Akrotatos to break the siege of Athens as soon as possible. Afterwards we can keep most our military there to be refitted as well as keeping them in a strategic spot. The Makedons would have to pass us there to reach the Peleponnesses.
Also, what has Pyrrhus been up to? Has he been conquering Illyria?
Standing,a representative of Athens prepares to speak on the behalf of Chremonides (who is busy being seiged).
"Fellow Greeks. It is time to elect the next Hegemon to lead our alliance of true Greeks into glory surpassing even Alexander's. The Spartans have done well these last two years, secruing several cities in the south. They have even decided to improve trade a little, quite suprising considering their warrior heritage. Let it be known that Chremonides has decided to not place his bid for Hegemon. He knows we are at war, and knows that the alliance, if led by a Spartan, will succed in the purge of Makedonia from Greece. He also requests that Akrotatos send an army to lift the siege of Athens, as he would like to be here personally for the meetings."
Yeah,I am not running for Hegemon this time around. I'm probably one of the worst generals in this game.I can win a battle, but usually the losses make a win more along the line of a pyrric (Spelling please?) victory.Not good when are reserves of gold and population are small.
Working towards what is best for my city-state does not make me any less of a warrior, I can still punch my spear clean through a man, with, or without the concern for my cities income. A warrior is a worthless leader if he cannot seperate war and economics, even the Spartans know this.
A pack of lions led by a sheep will be slaughtered by a pack of sheep lead by a lion, a leader must not only be a good warrior but also a good leader, and leadership is also present outside of battles.
Well, would anyone else like to run for Hegemon? So far I am the only one who has officially announced I'm running.
@ EasternScourge
You could very easily be Hegemon and not fight any battles at all. If you would prefer to focus on the administrative side, you could always appoint a general to lead your military campaigns i.e. someone else will fight out the battles. Spoofa led both battles because it was the beginning and he was in a good position to attack.
In fact, it is very likely that as time goes on, Hegemon's will lead actual battles less and less, assuming they spend most of their time in Southern Greece. It all depends on the player, really, just as in real life. Some leaders led from the front, fighting in conflicts themselves, while many stayed in their capitals, appointing men to do the fighting for them. It's really up to you (and the council, assuming you would like to appoint a general to fight in your place).
Considering this is my first Succession game, I'm going to be more organized for the next one (where I would like to try out Carthage). We'll have to wait and see, I suppose.
I dont think i can run again so soon huh? :laugh4:
I will run for Hegemon as well.
I am decent with campaigning while keeping money in the treasury. Not a big fan of phalanxes so we'll see how I deal with the Greek style of warfare. Also, a question - does my term end when the old Rhodian dies? Would it be better for me to wait till his son comes of age to start playing so I don't get my geezer dying on me while I am kicking Makedon-butt?:beam:
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Originally Posted by KuKulzA
OOC: I think we'll let that one go. Agathokles is so old when the game starts, he inevitably dies within the first few years. So, if you're elected Hegemon, you will be allowed to finish out your term even if Agathokles dies. Please note that this is the only time we'll let this happen. In the future, if you're Hegemon and your character dies, your term will end.
Well, if no one else is running, I think it would be easiest to just let KuKulzA be next, and I'll follow him. We simply don't have enough players to make elections worthwhile (even some who signed up haven't been very active). So, for the sake of speeding things along, KuKulzA should be allowed to have a go, and I'll be next.
If Basileus Seleukiea was before both of us, and he would like a shot, speak up now. I can't be bothered to look at the order list right now. Kind of in a hurry. So, unless anyone has any severe objections....KuKulzA you're up. We can begin to discuss plans for the invasion of northern greece now.
BTW, Spoofa, if 5 people come in and say they would prefer elections, then I have no problem with you running for Hegemon again. Your first term was a great success. However, if we're just going to go in some sort of order, you'll have to wait your turn. Dont worry, we only have like 5 players, so it should be back to you in no time. :)
yea people who wanna run speak up within 24 hours
or
Spoofa can post up his saved game somehow
and I'll get all the mods and FRAPS and get started
so, the plan for invading northern Greece...
I'm not sure if this will be ideal but I feel a pin-tactic should be used where our cheaper hoplatai are used to pin the enemy phalanx and then our classic hoplatai or spartans can engage the flank
meaning we need to be wary of enemy cavalry, and engage smaller numbers whenever possible...
I'm a fan of a guerrilla-style, ambushing, and fast attack warfare... I feel we should get light hoplatai (from Athenai) for that role
also about Agathokles, he's old, about to die, and on Rhodos... I don't think its wise for me to use him in our battles, therefore, am I allowed to use other characters? I know that is a bit rule-breaking, but I think if i am going to finish my term (during which Agathokles will probably die) I should be allowed to use ONE of the other 'family' members. :yes: I don't think another Rhodian leader comes up for some time after his death...
You know what,I think I might just run.Chremonides for Hegemon *random campaign music plays*.
Anyways,for the Makedonian invasion I suggest we first free Athens from the siege and then send the army lead by Spoofa (hes doing an excellent job) up north to capture whatever the ciy above Athens is.From there, we can hold up the Makedonians and keep an eye on their movements and build up. After getting some frsh troops and making sre that city is safe,head forthe Makedonian capital.Possibly try to get an alliance with the Epirotes.
Well, if you're Rhodios when you're chosen hegemon, then he is your character for battles. Unfortunately, it looks as if you might not get many battles during your term.
I, however, would be happy to share a battle with you, if the situation calls for it. This is a fairly laid back, informal sort of game. My next one will be more structured. For now though, I don't have a problem with spreading battles around.
The reality of the situation is, however, that Akrotatos is quite likely our most able commander at this point. If he is chosen to lead the attack into Northern Greece, Spoofa will be playing out the battles. As I've said before, one of the downfalls of a succession game is that one to three people end up playing a majority of the battles. They're really isn't much you can do about this unless you constantly change generals (not a very good tactic gamewise), or someone shares a few battles.
Just remember, just because you have an old administrator right now doesn't mean you won't have a brilliant military commander for your next character. You just have to wait and see.
Oh, and before I forget, DOWNLOAD SPOOFAS FILES ASAP so you can make sure everything works! There is a link to Spoofa's files in this thread....I suggest you download those ASAP so you can work out any bugs.
Ok, I'm done being OOC for a while. Back to the game....
@EasternScourge
Well if you're going to run, we could try an election. The only problem I see is that only like 5 people will vote, so who in the hell knows if it's even worth it. If we had 10+ people playing, it would be much more interesting when it comes to elections. As it stands right now, I think we'll just go in some order, which I haven't even entirely stuck to.
Ok....how's this catch your fancy?
KuKulzA
EasternScourge
Basileus Seleukiea
Theycallmetighty
Bootsiuv
Spoofa
This is the order which we'll go in. If I forgot anyone else, just put your name after theycallmetighty and before me. That way I know everyone has had a chance, and I'll start the new rotation. We'll just say I skipped my first term because of technical difficulties.
Just a thought. You could appoint people who are in a position which prevents them from battling the enemy to act as Captains from time to time? Unless you want to have a general for each and every battle, of course.
[QUOTE=Bootsiuv]@EasternScourge
Ok....how's this catch your fancy?
KuKulzA
EasternScourge
Basileus Seleukiea
Theycallmetighty
Bootsiuv
Spoofa
This is the order which we'll go in. If I forgot anyone else, just put your name after theycallmetighty and before me. [QUOTE]
Hey, dont forget me. Just to let you guys know, I have a laptop with no mouse, so Im not as good at fighting as some of you. It would probably be better if, during my hegemony (whenever that may be) we werent in the middle of a big war.
PS: as you guys can see, I still have problems with the quotes-sorry
Each opening tag (the square brackets and the code therein) needs to have an end tag. The end tag is defined by a / after the [ .
So to quote you would end with [/quote] and begin with [quote] >
If you click the Reply With Quote button on my reply; the forum php engine automatically wraps quote tages around my comments. However, if I have quoted someone in my reply, that someone's quote will be lost.Quote:
And copy/paste text in between.
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Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios
From observing your post; I conclude that you forgot the forward-slash / in your end-quote-tag.
My stomach hurts like someone kicked it ten times (believe me I know how it feels) but i think its something I ate... I am gonna stay off all computer stuff and get rested and feel better
tomorrow morning I will test out the stuff in the links and if all works out well I will begin...
I don't like using other's character just cause, but if I need to I will
in any case I think this is what I will do:
- Relieve Athenai
- Do what I can to improve economy
- expand army & retrain
- Potentially a few hit&run attacks into Makedon
Does this sound good to you guys? any particular suggestions?
EDIT: basically not doing anything epic, just maintaining the good stuff we got going and maybe making some forays of my own IF it is all in our favor... not pulling any stunts
I'm in favor of a more aggressive strategy but I want all of your opinions, afterall its a council, and I will abide by the council's decision for the greater matters
@Bobolicious
Sorry about that. The initial order seems to have been lost, but you can go before me if that's ok. The war with Makedon will probably be winding down by the time your turn is up. BTW, a mini-mouse with a scroll wheel can't be more than $20, and would probably greatly improve your gaming experience. Mousepads suck for TW games.
@Tellos Atheniaos
Thank you much for the idea. That could be a good way to work someone else in.
@KuKulzA
If Akrotatos defeats the Makedonian forces besieging Athenai, it may be best to strike quickly at Demetrias. Although I do agree that our economy should come first.
If you would please list the governors at the beginning of your reign, that wouldn't be a bad thing.
Sorry I havent posted today =P I just got my new computer back and I have to say, It totally rocks. The loadtimes are so smooth and I can play battles on huge with everything all the way up. :laugh4:
Anyway, May i suggest one tiny tiny thing that will make our battle experience so much better, its the AI battle formations mod, save-game compatible and easy to impliment yourself, It makes the AI use somewhat historical formations and not just make a huge single line.
here is the link to the formations mod, It is competely compatible to my mod collection.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=86904
just put the two files into your EB/data folder.
heres the save game.
http://files.filefront.com/KHsav/;83.../fileinfo.html
I was going to suggest that actually, but I felt I had asked enough of our play requirements. A good idea and I don't see a problem. Thanks for the link.
If i need to then i will incorperate the text files into my .rar if you want.
(P.S you should add the link to my .rar file on the first page of this thread or somthing, so if anybody joins then they wont have to search for it.)