T'was a general comment about the Org. I didn't mean to insult anyone here. Sorry if I did :oops:
I was wondering about s_tabikha's victory.
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T'was a general comment about the Org. I didn't mean to insult anyone here. Sorry if I did :oops:
I was wondering about s_tabikha's victory.
It is easy to obtain a heroic victory:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: Just make an army only with cavalry and attack the enemy.
Yeah. In fact, all my victories have been heroic in the last times. It's very rare i get one clear victory right now, and usually only happens when i vastly outnumber the opponent. I am playing with Gaul and i have 4 generals with over 8 stars. Why? Heroic victory after heroic victory after heroic victory against romans, germans and britons. With that barbarian cavalry (9 attack plus 9 charge=devastating 18 charge) and some warband i wiped out everybody in my way. I grab most of troops i had the north of italy and with only some extra warbands recruited as i was progressing i had already destroyed julii and the senate. And i beat most senate's army in open field... And now that i can recruit chosen swordmen and soon gaul's archers i am not seeing much more oposition from the rest of the other roman's factions... Note: trying to break the enemies' formation is especially effective when fighting romans with barbarians. Try to "push" your troops over the legions in order to disorder them. This will increase your kills quite a bit.
With cathage is the same strategy so i get the same heroic victories most of the time. Even with macedon is heroic after heroic victory, i just send my phalanxes in tight formation, protect my flanks with cavalry, put my archers firing over their heads and after stopped/killed the enemies' cavalry, i charge on their flanks/rear and the funny is over... At least the AI is smart enough to try to flank me, even though they are stupid enough to charge on the front of my phalanxes. I think it's due to my archers firing over my pikes, because i am not seeing other reason for a general charging right into a phalanx.
Maybe he was drinking vodka all the day..:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by ixidor
*sigh* too true... And it's even worse in Medieval 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galapagos
Why is there no love for infantry armies?
I had battles where none or 1 of my soldiers died. There were not major battles tho.
Because in most of the un-modded games, cavalry is simply overpowered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benandorf
In MTW, generic cavalry did not seem to thump decent infantry too badly, but elite cavalry could tear them up. This was especially true of a lone, highly skilled general. They could defeat small armies.
In RTW, any cavalry could thump infantry pretty badly. I once tested a generic Persian Cataphract against a Seluecid Silver Sheild pike bloc. The test involved a flat field and a frontal charge by the Cataphract against the normal-depth Pikes in phalanx formation. The Cat's won. I kept adding arms/armor to the Silver Sheild, and they kept losing. I then added experience.
The Pikes did not manage a win, ever, with less than 3 bronze chevrons (gold armor & sword) to the Cats' nothing. The Silver Shields did not win a majority of the time until they had 2 silver chevrons. It was not until 3 gold chevrons that the generic, no improvements whatsover group of 55 Cataphracts were completely outclassed by 121 Pikers. Even up to 2 gold chevrons, they would win about 1 time in 20 or so.
Well, Cats may not have been a fair test, because they are really heavily armored...
But it was more of a rhetorical question anyways. In medieval times, the simply fact was that heavy cavalry was the biggest threat on the field. Highly mobile and hit like a truck. In roman times it wasn't as bad (as I've seen reflected in RTW, since generally cavalry hits hard, but dies very quickly when bogged down, unlike the M2 ones that can survive forever in combat), but cavalry was still a big part.
They need a Stone Age: Total War, where cavlary isn't even used. Though I suppose Americas fits the bill decently (and that's one reason I love it so.)
I don't think cavalry is that overpowered in vanilla RTW. If I charged a unit of cataphracts against a group of silver shields, I know my cataphracts will probably lose.
One time, I ordered my group of cataphracts to move in front of my silver shield pikemen. But since there wasn't enough space or something, the cataphracts stupidly ran into some of the pikes on the front right side of the pikemen. Needless to say, 1/3 of the unit died instantly. Even frontal charges using cataphracts vs the pathetic eastern infantry would lose 3-5 cataphracts out of 27. Charges to the back will still kill 2-3.
The overpoweredness, in my opinion, are the Roman pilums. A praetorian cohort unit unloaded their pilums toward the front of my silver shields and killed 1/4 of my men before they even engaged in melee combat!
Seamas, what difficulty level was the battle set on when you did your tests?
Medium, so as to negate bonuses in either direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benandorf
Didn't Rome Total Realism increase the Cavalry stats and reduce those of the archers so as to be more realistic?Quote:
Originally Posted by gummybear00
Wouldn't that mean that the Cav's in Vanilla RTW are not strong enough?
Now this is indeed a heroic victory. Why? I had 3 units of rounded shield cavalry, 1 of skirmishers and 1 of balearic slingers against 5 units of warband, 1 warlord and 1 unit of barbarian cavalry. The odds were very much against me (no infantry to fight, low class cavalry, less then half the men of my enemy) and i didn't even decide to fight them to win, i just wanted to make some casualties with my skirmishers and slingers, eventually one or another flank charge and get out of there, retraining them and preparing the army for another day, so i put my light infantry in a double line, 1 cavalry unit in the flank and the other 2 in the other. I also put them relatively close to the final line in order to retreat. Now, when the fight began, seeing my lone cavalry unit in my right flank, the AI decided to charge it with his barbarian cavalry. Seeing that, i retreat my rounded shield cavalry and brought the other 2 from the other flank, who joined with the retreating unit (i made the enemy came to where i wanted) and charged the enemy cavalry unit, thus making it routing. I started to chase them, yet the enemy general decided to attack my slingers so i directed 2 cavalry units right to the general. Lucky me, the general continued to chase the slingers and decided to ignore the rear charge, continuing to chase the slingers (and his infantry was now too far away to support him) so my rounded shield cavalry pretty much destroyed him (almost unbelivable for me). Then, i realized, without his cavalry i could actually win! And i did it, using my light infantry to separate the enemy infantry i destroyed each of the 5 warband units one by one, and even most funny, after destroyed the first one and marching for the second one my captain's unit passed close to other unit of warbands, which made the unit lost as much as 2 men, yet it starting to routing! Thank god the other 2 cavalry units were still pretty mostly undamaged so I quickly put 2 other units (who were chasing my skirmishers) routing, then another one, and at last 1 unit that was chasing my slingers meanwhile. Crushing victory indeed :2thumbsup:. Even among all the heroic victories i usually get with Carthage, this one was pretty much unusual (and heroic).
:daisy:
Well, not really. Try to fight a decent enemy in open field with the greeks and see yourself being flanked and crushed from all the sides, or even better, be wiped out by archers. Greeks are very good indeed in city fights and choke points but in open field then can be quite curshed.Quote:
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That's why i usually prefer to play with Macedon instead.
Yeah, greeks are great until you realize they have one mode of attack: line up, hold alt and click behind the enemy. And it doesn't even work all that well most of the time, due to the whole phalanx problems.
Keep this civil, please.
I am with Garcilaso de la Vega el Inca.
Be nice or the mods will show up with the camels again.
No one wants that.
Please don't get baited by "I am better than you".
That stopped working for most of you when you turned 8. :wall:
No because any greek useing player in the feild just makes a square
Only thing I learn from this thread is that some people are very very very "envolved" in their lil games.... :eyebrows:
There are a couple of RTW battles in this save game that only the 'best ever' generals will appreciate.
Link to saved game:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/downl...o=file&id=1514
Any would be best ever generals care to give them a go?
:daisy:
erm, tossa, why have you done this?Quote:
Originally Posted by TosaInu
Hi goldendunner,
It's Tosa's way of encouraging positive thread development - the daisy is a classic .Org symbol for fuzzyness and friendlyness between members.Quote:
Originally Posted by goldendunner
TosaInu is trying to keep this opened.
Welll I idn't know that. Ty
Yeah first come the flowers if that fails then come the camels and that is never good. :laugh4:
Beware the camels!!!
what do the camels mean, i presume its a smilie camel
It's just that a couple of mods around here view the camel as the ultimate war weapon in RTW. Since they're mods, they can defend their opinions. :yes:
Last chappie disagreed with them about the primacy of camels found his account switched to a "My Little Pony" chat forum, with his browser locked on that site alone. :shocked2:
Heard he lasted 3 days until the bug-house attendees came for him. Kinder to've killed him if you ask me.
Camels still stink, and are horrible units!Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Let's not dig up the horribly scarring past, shall we now?Quote:
Last chappie disagreed with them about the primacy of camels found his account switched to a "My Little Pony" chat forum, with his browser locked on that site alone. :shocked2:
I survived and am back and stronger than ever! Muwaahahah!!Quote:
Heard he lasted 3 days until the bug-house attendees came for him. Kinder to've killed him if you ask me.
To all the new kids, don't be deceived! Camels are horrible, stinky creatures! SPREAD THE WORD!