Let us come up with some interesting historical units

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Originally Posted by Sheogorath

From what I know, the Fluyt was a rather poor combat vessel. It was good for trade and travel, but it was specialized for those roles and was lightly armed and not very sturdy in a fight.

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But still a historical unit. :yes:

Would english riflemen weilding baker rifles be a viable option? like the ones from the Sharpe series starring Sean Bean...Or was the baker rifle made to recently for it to be in ETW?

I really dont know, i'll have to read up on my history:book: either way, i'd like to see them!

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Originally Posted by Anonymous II

But still a historical unit. :yes:

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Seems kinda pointless though...
But then, it would give them something to put in the Dutch description:
"Has a really sucky merchant-converted-to-warship unit."

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Originally Posted by Lorenzo_H

Black Watch!

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Damn, you beat me to it :winkg:

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Originally Posted by Sheogorath

Seems kinda pointless though...
But then, it would give them something to put in the Dutch description:
"Has a really sucky merchant-converted-to-warship unit."

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I don't really see the good arguments here. In a warfare game, there always have to be some unit that are inferiour to another - they can't all be "the best unit in the game". Besides, In M2TW, peasants are a good example of a civic unit turned into one made for warfare. It's sucky (some would disagree, I'm sure), but it's in the game anyhow.

I would never go to the step that I would call a historical unit "pointless", no matter how lousy it was. The more we can use of the scale from perfect, to extremely flawed, the better IMHO.

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Indian/Afghani jezzails would be a treat, but I'm not sure if they fit into the time frame.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous II

I don't really see the good arguments here. In a warfare game, there always have to be some unit that are inferiour to another - they can't all be "the best unit in the game". Besides, In M2TW, peasants are a good example of a civic unit turned into one made for warfare. It's sucky (some would disagree, I'm sure), but it's in the game anyhow.

I would never go to the step that I would call a historical unit "pointless", no matter how lousy it was. The more we can use of the scale from perfect, to extremely flawed, the better IMHO.

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My bets on generic naval units all around. Like IG and the other TW games.

Austrian grenzers, wild troops with colourfull uniforms, the prototype light infantrymen, who were rightly feared by prussians and other foes of kaiserin Maria Theresa.

http://sweb.cz/colin30/sywaus01.jpg

Grenz infantry of the Liccaner regiment, figures not painted by me.

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Originally Posted by Sheogorath

My bets on generic naval units all around. Like IG and the other TW games.

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Highly unlikely. All the information from CA shows that there will be a great focus on naval warfare this time around. Generic naval units was pretty much given when all you could do was to autoresolve battles. With the new playability in naval battles, and with all the effort it seems CA has put into it, I don't see why they wouldn't give the factions unique naval units.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous II

Highly unlikely. All the information from CA shows that there will be a great focus on naval warfare this time around.

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I really hope not too much focus on naval warfare. I fear they will forget the more important things than shiny waves and fancy ships.
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R e a l i s t i c T r a v e l i n g T i m e s (who wants to march from France to Prussia in 4 years?)

The Potsdam Giants would be an interesting unit that fits in the timeline. ~D

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Originally Posted by Sheogorath

From what I know, the Fluyt was a rather poor combat vessel. It was good for trade and travel, but it was specialized for those roles and was lightly armed and not very sturdy in a fight.

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Of course it was... it was a merchantman with a crew of around 12. Not a warship.

Though it could be used as a military supply and transport ship.

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Originally Posted by AggonyDuck

The Potsdam Giants would be an interesting unit that fits in the timeline. ~D

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A very cool unit indeed! :thumbsup:

But the king never used them though. Maybe they should function as a morale-boosting retinue for Prussian rulers rather than a unit?

From the same Wikipedia-article:

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The king never risked the Giants in battle, which was fortunate, since many of the men suffered from disabilities related to their gigantism and were unfit for combat. He trained and drilled them every day. He liked to paint their portraits from memory. He tried to show them to foreign visitors and dignitaries to impress them. At times he would try to cheer himself up by ordering them to march before him, even if he was in his sickbed.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous II

Highly unlikely. All the information from CA shows that there will be a great focus on naval warfare this time around. Generic naval units was pretty much given when all you could do was to autoresolve battles. With the new playability in naval battles, and with all the effort it seems CA has put into it, I don't see why they wouldn't give the factions unique naval units.

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The guys who made IG probably thought they put a lot of effort into their naval combat system. And, if you'll compare screenshots of the two, you'll note that they look pretty much identical. Including the control panel.
We'll see once the reviews come out.
Or most likely, once the game comes out, because reviewers dont usually notice things like that.

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Originally Posted by Zaleukos

For the "early" era: Polish hussars. Essentially medieval knights, with a devastating but impetuous charge. Can pack a punch but will be massacred once disciplined musketeers/riflemen with a decent rate of fire come along.

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Polish hussars were not "essentialy medieval knight" they were armed almost identical to napoleonic era Cuirassiers (with one notable exception - 6m long lance). That obviously plus all the "fancy" decorations etc.

I'm not to good with the 1700's history but didn't the green beret american sharpshooters start in the revolutionary war and if thats so then this game definately needs those you know like a small units of 20 or so men with extremely long range

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Originally Posted by SaFe

R e a l i s t i c T r a v e l i n g T i m e s (who wants to march from France to Prussia in 4 years?)

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Seconded, I personally believe that traveling times have been one of the biggest hitch in the TW games, I mean take the time needed to travel from Europe to South America in M2TW, and compare it with the time Columbus actually took........Woha!!

if theres going to be faction-specific naval units the danes/norwegians should have gunboats.

and whatever is wrong with including the fluyt, even if its weak it could have its uses as a quick to produce, or rather convert from mercantile use, cheap unit.

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Originally Posted by Lorenzo_H

Black Watch!

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Bay Watch! :beam::yes:

BThe ninety third higlanders(the thin red line)and the Black brunswickers.My favorite units of alll time next to a seminolewarrior


That was my first time making a link to wiki,HOOZA

I believe the lobster was also the name of a helmet worn by cavalry during the English Civil War and most of the 17th century.
As for interesting historical units......there's so many of them
Prussia's Potsdam Grenadiers all of whom were 7ft tall.
Seydlitz's Cuirassiers.
Bayreuth Dragoons.
and that's just the regiments in Frederick the Great's army.......the list is endless.

How about GNW Swedish Elk-mounted dragoons? Yes, it looks like it belongs in the fantasy section, but the growing shortage of horses made the Swedish army put up some experimental units. They never saw action, but would propably work. I believe that the Russians also had some experiments in that direction.

Well if you can have flaming pigs units...

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Originally Posted by anders

if theres going to be faction-specific naval units the danes/norwegians should have gunboats.

and whatever is wrong with including the fluyt, even if its weak it could have its uses as a quick to produce, or rather convert from mercantile use, cheap unit.

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Lots of nations had gunboats, I believe. The trend in the early 1800's was for a boat with one or a few REALLY big guns on it instead of lots of guns. Usually they were fairly small (compared to SOTL, anyway)

Nothings WRONG with it, but I still put my bets on CA giving us generic naval units.

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Originally Posted by Frederick the Great

I believe the lobster was also the name of a helmet worn by cavalry during the English Civil War and most of the 17th century.
As for interesting historical units......there's so many of them
Prussia's Potsdam Grenadiers all of whom were 7ft tall.
Seydlitz's Cuirassiers.
Bayreuth Dragoons.
and that's just the regiments in Frederick the Great's army.......the list is endless.

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Uhhh...the TALLEST recorded soldier in the Potsdam Grenadiers was 7ft tall. The REQUIRED height to join was 5' 11". Still, very tall for the early 1700's, considering Frederick the Great himself was about five feet tall himself.
Perhaps if they have unique leaders they could add a 'Kidnap Tall People' action to Frederick, since he apparently had a penchant for kidnapping tall preists, monks, etc. Wikipedia says he once tried to abduct an Austrian diplomat, too.

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Originally Posted by Sheogorath

Lots of nations had gunboats, I believe. The trend in the early 1800's was for a boat with one or a few REALLY big guns on it instead of lots of guns. Usually they were fairly small (compared to SOTL, anyway).

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Denmark-Norway fought the Gunboat War with Britain after their SOTL were taken by Britain after the 2nd Battle of Copenhagen. Gunboats were also notably used by the US during the American Revolution and the War of 1812

I think they called the unit "Polish Flying Hussars" or something? Those horsemen with very long wings on their helmets? I find them looking very romantic. I"d like to have them. Or is the period covered by ETW too early for them. . . ?
Mreeiaoww to everyone!

If I am not mistaken, the prussian king obsessed with giant grenadiers was Frederick William I., father of Frederick the Great.

Frederick the Great´s guard was infantry regiment no. 15, but IR 6 (potsdam grenadiers, or grenadier guards) were allowed to retain heraldic symbols of previous king on their mitres.

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Originally Posted by Laudon

If I am not mistaken, the prussian king obsessed with giant grenadiers was Frederick William I., father of Frederick the Great.

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This is quite correct Frederick the Great did inherit these Gaint Potsdam Grenadiers from his father.
The reason why the minimum height was brought down to 5ft 11" by Frederick the Great was obviously because he could not find replacements for the 7 footers.
The information I have states he had a total of 2 Guard Cavalry Regiments and 4 Guard Infantry Regiments.
I don't want to have to research into this any futher so can we keep to the thread thank you as having to argue all the time does get boring.

To my knowledge, Frederick the Great dismissed the regiment after he came to power.

Afaik the "giants" guard regiment (Infanterie-Regiment 6) with 3 bataillions with 7 companies each was reduced to one bataillion (IR 6, also named Garde-Grenadier-Bataillion) in 1740, but remained in duty. However no more money was wasted to get huge recruits. The real guard regiment became (as said by Laudon) IR 15, with 3 bataillions, of which the 1. bataillion was the life guard (Leib-Garde; Frederic II. was chief of the company of the bataillion chief of 1/IR 15).

Perhaps Marines equipped with the Nock Volley Gun http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nock_gun would be an option. More bang for your buck, but with a chance to knock the shooter out of the fight with every firing.