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Originally Posted by pezhetairoi
Rofl.
mr.yard stop telling us GOODIES.
I would rather wait and see it and be like :The end: to my friends and family due to the amount of time i would be spending in my room on my computer than have u tell us b4 I can see it. :yes:
Well, I can say.......they did get the best unit of the game. The mighty Bartix Elite Pikemen, unstoppable in life, even more powerful in death. All shall temble under their might! Muha!
I like them because I like their skins better then the maks *cept the mak Hypaspistai which is awsome and Hysteroi Pezhetairoi with their purple cloaks*. And I think it's safe to say and assume from the previews no faction hasn't been left unchanged, that's why it's still in beta stage after all.
*Pet's his pretty Molosson Agema and Illyrian Units*
Ah, the famous Thorakitai Chobamai (A cookie to who finds the reference)...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios
That will definitely make the game more interesting...
Speaking of units, are there any plans for a bosphoran greek unit like it's been done for massiliote hoplitai?
please forgive my urge to correct you, but my mother was a "Φιλόλογος"...Quote:
Originally Posted by Anastasios Garamantos
Zήτω η Ελλάς! Ζήτω το "Κοινόν Ελλήνων"!
My excitement while typing in Greek always gets the better of me...ugly typos. :-/
I prefer playng with KH cause I like the challenge of it, trying to fight the Seleucids, Ptolemies and Romands is quite a challenge. And I usually need some years before I manage to move to northern Greece and take Pella and Ambrakia.
When I play as Macedon it's easy to conquer all Greece and go to Asia Minor, which I find boring.
And for some reason, Ijust don't like the Epirots..Maybe cause I always disliked Pyrrhos, dying by a brick thrown by some woman in Argos, what an uncool death for an Alexander wanabe.:thumbsdown:
Yeah all wannabes. And Hippeis Thessalikoi are definitely heavy cavalry. Their charge is not so powerful like the charge of the Hetairoi, but they are cheaper and faster.
Wow, I wasn't aware that they were heavy cavalry....I haven't played KH in a while, and have only gotten the necessary MIC's to build them once (the last time I played KH actually, which is when I discovered them and said....holy shit, those are awesome).
I really couldn't remember if they were light or heavy, but I knew they were far superior to Hippies.
Well, -technically- they aren't 'heavy', their description brands them medium cavalry. But to all intents and purposes, they are bona fide heavy cavalry, yea. I'm a big fan of Thessalikoi, and when I played Makedonia, expanding westwards, even though I had the capability to build Hetairoi, I never did. They're cheaper and they do the job. But than again, this is the guy who played Baktria all the way to Sardis with nothing better than Pantodapoi Phalangitai, Thureophoroi and Shuban Fradakshana...
Not true. Although it is pointless to make a unit of Spartiates spend a turn outside of Laconia, since they vanish, you can use the fleet to transport a sizeable portion of your Spartan army to Athens and smack the Macedonian army right there. Send your diplomat out and make advantageous alliances with the Getai and Epirus, and you'll have Macedonia pinned on two other sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by pezhetairoi
Cut down your navy (whack the expensive ships and then build one fleet of low-upkeep crap transports later) and work on building roads. Don't invest Corinth until after you've secured at least Crete. Keep trying to sue with Macedonia for peace. They'll resist until Epirus starts slugging with them. Don't hesitate to disband pointless units for increased taxation. Play it cool and pray, and when the time is right, go for Crete.
Rhodes isn't important to defend, because nobody usually goes for it, so you don't have to load up its garrison until later, when people start building fleets and the occasional amphibious assault inexplicably occurs.
Euboaea is usually lightly held (or at least held with a decent force). After grabbing and pacifying Crete, nail Euboea. Macedon will most likely respond. Let them. Corinth is your primary target. Make them besiege a lightly held Euboea while you invest Corinth. Try to starve it out, it isn't worth the cost in men to assault. You'll probably have to fight a sally, but it won't be as bad as storming the city.
Once Corinth is yours, Euboea won't be hard to take for good, especially with your increased funds.
Sometimes the unexpected happens and these plans fail. Oh well. Life goes on. I at least try to get Macedonia out of the Peloponesse, and grab Crete and Euboea before suing for peace and then building a giant expedition to retry what Athens failed at doing during the Peloponnesian War--the capture of Syracuse.
By the time I grab Syracuse, I have a decent economy, good defenses, strong ties with neighbors, trade negotiations, and a somewhat stable peace with Epirus and Macedonia. After Syracuse joins the league, it is usually a done deal-I'm powerful enough to stop worrying as hard. I might try to finish securing the mainland (I like getting Delphi and Thessaly under my control), or I might make a grab for Halicarnassus and the consolidation of Ionia into the League.
You've got to play it just right, and hope that Epirus (and later the Getai) hammer Macedonia enough to keep them busy and off of your case. But that first victory against their army right next to Athens is essential. You cannot afford to lose a city or even get besieged and lose initiative like that. KH is hard, but it isn't impossible and it isn't terrible. In fact, I think it is one of the most fun factions to play out.
I read your entire message, but all I was really able to see was this.Quote:
Originally Posted by GodEmperorLeto
Do you mean Spartiates cannot leave Lakonia? o.o I thought they were the elites.
EDIT: Oh, and I don't like Epeiros because of one main reason: They have a green dog as their symbol. It's so...uncool. And the dog's so skinny it's practically an SPCA case, too. That, and their unit mainstays all have such -restricted- recruitment zones...
How can you hate on the Molossian Hounds? I mean, come on, they're Molossian, they're hounds, what more could a man ask. :P
Spartans vanish outside of Laconia?
It is wise to not invest in a huge superpowerful navy. 4000 mani per ships will break you in a few turns. In my game, I control most of the Black Sea coast, Thracia, Pontus (proper), southern Hellas, Syracuse, Tolosa, and Massilia. I have this huge navy of super penterimes (sp) that wrecks destruction on any opposing navy. Next, the attack on Alexandria....and the Ptolemaioi empire stretches from Cyrene all the way to the Saka lands...it is a scary sight.
I had to mod that to prevent it from happening. They were the damned Golden Horde in my game, splitting the Seleukid Empire half-half with Baktria, and nearly taking over Asia Minor too. I had to relocate the cockroaches a.k.a. Makedonia to Asia Minor by giving them the cities I'd bribed from the Ptolemaioi when we were still allies, since I'd taken their homelands and didn't exactly want to give them back. The Seleukidai had been forced into Armenia where they eked out a measly existence, and they in turn forced Hayasdan into Kotais where they eked out and -even- measlier existence. I had use copious bribes and rebellions and cheating in order to give the Seleukids back their central provinces and restrict Ptolemaioi back to Syria, and at the same time nerfing Baktria a bit. It was really tough pushing Hayasdan back into their homeland.
Why doesn't the damned diplomacy accept cities given as gifts before?! Now those who aren't allies just tell me 'Oh yeah right, you're just gonna take it back from us again aren't ya?' and refuse. I mean, here I am trying to save THEIR skins, and they're biting the hand that feeds them. Sigh. Whoever installed that diplomatic feature ought to be dragged outside and shot, it's really making our manipulations difficult.
But that's neither here nor there. I wasn't aware Molossan Hounds were so pathetically skinny, it must be a really hard life up in the mountains... xP
If there is one thing that will always disappoint me about this game, it's the diplomacy.
It really is pretty f****d up.
My favorite style of diplomacy....
Spartan Bronze
Are you joking about Epeiros? New units in the next release to make it easier? Even if you gave Epeiros flying mercs from Atlantis with laser weapons it would not be so much easier because it is already so easy. :laugh4:
After you have Chaonian Agema, Molossan cavalry and Thorakitai plus a gold chevron Armoured Indian elephant unit plus artillery my effort in battles is not to win but to win with minimal numbers of losses. A ratio of more than 50-70 dead soldiers compared to 2500 enemy deaths equals a loss in battle. With hoplite armies or Roman troops I cannot achieve the same. Also not with Macedonia because the lack of elephants. Even Hetairoi need several attacks to the rear of elite phalanges or Greek, Lusotannan, Roman or Sweboz uber-elite troops...
Makedonia is sweet like chocolate, you can tell by their color :2thumbsup:
Their unit line-up is good and very powerful, especially if you hire some Kretan mercs to provide missile support. Campaign start is a nice challenge and after securing Greece you can pretty much pick and choose which direction to expand.
KH to me is boring. Way too infantry-focused, no elite cavalry, no elephants. And those Spartans may be pretty but they are not that hot. Not to mention that their generals are infantry :no:
Epeiros is kind of interesting, but not as good as Makedonia. Having elephants from the start is definetly nice, but I dislike the way their lands are spread between Italy and Greece. Altough it might make for a fun campaign to do something daring and unhistorical: To have Pyrrhos withdraw from the homelands and go for an all-out offensive in Italy - destroy the Romani and build an empire on the peninsula, or die trying!
Maybe it's just me, but they turn into regular hoplites when I take them out of Laconia. Maybe I have a bug, but I thought it was part of how they were supposed to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by pezhetairoi
Maybe I have a bug and should try reinstalling it. Great. There goes my afternoon.
:inquisitive: That sounds really weird. I've experienced the insufferable presense of Spartan hoplites in KH armies attacking me outside of Lakonia. And I'm not talking about the general's bodyguard units.
@GodEmperorLeto
That has to be a mistake. As far as I know, there is no mechanism built into the game that changes one unit into another.
I think you simply looked at the wrong unit or got confused.
If it is the case, you have a very f*****d up version of R:TW, friend.
That is crazy weird. :dizzy2: I don't even know if something like that could be done on purpose. Are you sure?Quote:
Originally Posted by GodEmperorLeto
I want to say only: WESTERN GREEK FACTIONS RULEZ!!!
I definitely don't know. But it does seem overly ridiculous that you can only use your elite unit in a province that most of the time is NEVER under threat after the first 5 years. Once a Spartiate, always a Spartiate. Whyever would they change into normal hoplites... Maybe they're going undercover! Yes!
Makedonia is best becuase between the Thrakians, Shield Bearers, and Companions you have some of the best special units.
Companions can pull off multiple charges without suffering any losses if used properly and that is invaluable. Thessalians are better used to fight other cavalry so that the Companions aren't wasted.
Slightly off topic but I've been using the KH and have managed to beat the Epirotes and Maks out of most of modern day Greece. Now I don't have a great knowledge of this era of history but as far as I'm aware the Koinon Hellenon was formed due to the threat from Macedon and only lasted a few years before it was defeated. My question is how long do people think this alliance would have lasted had the Macedonian threat been defeated, surely Sparta and Athens would have been at each others throats after a while, especially if there were spoils of war and newly conquered lands to share out. I take it there would be no way to simulate something like this with the RTW engine, perhaps something for EB2? Or of course I could just be totally wrong with my reworking of history :book:.
One option would be in EB2 to represent the cities using all the faction slots left, basically in the same way as romans were represented in RTW...
I'm sure this would be highly unpopular but it's a possible solution...
I'm not sure that'd be a good idea, really, you'd just get stagnation in Greece because they'd be too busy fighting each other to fight the Makedonians, which is not exactly what Chremonides intended, I'm sure...
It's not what he intended, but I think it would accurately portray the greeks inability to stop in-fighting.
I know there has been talk of this on the EB2 forum, but I don't think the team was very receptive. It seems like a rather ugly solution at best, since they could very well break the alliance long before Makedon is not a threat.
For my money the Makedonian roster is superior...probably one of the best in the game and can hold their own against the heavyweights like the Romani or AS on a unit for unit comparison. Granted, i admit freely i haven't tried all of the factions but the Mak roster when including regionals and all things considered has to rank as being one of the best pound for pound factions in the game sort of speak in terms of potential unit lineup. That said i'm a KH fella myself as i like playing the role of underdog against the big bad Successor Armies not to mention i'm just an old romantic for the "Old Powers" of Sparte and Athenai.
As for what would've happen to them had they been able to fend of the yolk of Makedon. Always an interesting question.....Nothing in their history suggests this alliance would endure of course except for the immediate self interest of each individual City State; which in this case had the same enemy as they saw it. But once that enemy had been vanquished......tragically more of the same more than likely.