High Profile Libertarian Republican says Iraq invasion motivated by oil

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Originally Posted by K COSSACK

u sir are mistaken. I'm the Hawk, ur the chicken.

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Really now?

How many tours in Iraq or Afghanistan have "u" done?

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Originally Posted by Goofball

Really now?

How many tours in Iraq or Afghanistan have "u" done?

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You mean going, to since pathetic crybaby idiots (which people seem to be today) CANNOT be DEPENDED on.

But being on ur knees for the rest of ur life seems to be "ok" since it doesnt cost anything.

EDIT: how many have u done? lets compare....

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Originally Posted by Goofball

At worst, it's Liebensraum.

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:laugh4:

Ok, nothing big it's just that

Leben = life
Liebe = love

so it's Lebensraum. ~;)

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Originally Posted by K COSSACK

You mean going, to since pathetic crybaby idiots (which people seem to be today) CANNOT be DEPENDED on.

But being on ur knees for the rest of ur life seems to be "ok" since it doesnt cost anything.

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MR Cossack sir I suggest you go to the family photos thread and look up Goofball's last duck hunting session...

No I'd rather not.

Did i say he was a crybaby idiot? NO, but people sure think they can negotiate all the time, and expects the world to be "nice".

Cossack, how old are you? You're arguing against people who've spent many years in military service and some have even seen combat. I don't want to make any negative comments about you personally, but what you're writing sounds like pure naive imbecility. I'm not sure how serious you are, but your arguments are all either nonsensical or unethical in the extreme.
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Ajax

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Originally Posted by K COSSACK

No I'd rather not.

Did i say he was a crybaby idiot? NO, but people sure think they can negotiate all the time, and expects the world to be "nice".

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Cossack, without breaking the forum rules, I suggest you actually do a little research and know what you are actually talking about. You are extremely ignorant on just about everything you are talking about.

Why exactly should we have gone into Iraq?

What good has Iraq done for this country?

What good has the Iraq War done for anyone?

I don't think anyone expects the world to be "nice". No one has claimed that in this thread.

People were suggesting trading with Saddam, instead of invading him would have been a better idea.

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Originally Posted by K COSSACK

No I'd rather not.

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He's a peace keeper; in other words, I suspect he has seen war and knows what it means to be in one. :book:

On topic: the article sounds sort of biased. More than half the quotations from Greenspan has him complaining about the deficit and not the Iraq War specifically.

It's as if he's more concerned with the deficit the war racks up and the motive of the war is just a side point. And yet the article focuses on this one point...

I came close to explaining but, not yet.


It's too fun seeing how u guys would react to an opinion other than the majority. (maybe this is trolling, but pointing it out would be tattle tailing wouldnt it).

u guys were predictable. gonna take a break of from seriousness.

PS.would all of you be complaining if the war had been succesful?

EDIT: which one ANTIOCHUS?

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Originally Posted by K COSSACK

PS.would all of you be complaining if the war had been succesful?

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Yes. It's my principle to oppose all wars. Especially ones which are so unjust.

Also, I think you're misunderstanding something here if you think we're "ganging up" on you based on your dissent opinions. Rather, it's just that we strongly disagree with your notion that not fighting a war is "chicken." Policies are not "guts" and "guns blazing," you're falling victim to propaganda rhetoric here.

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Originally Posted by K COSSACK

EDIT: which one ANTIOCHUS?

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I don't know; ask him yourself.

However, it is, I think, the least we can do to respect a peace keeper if not for his opinions then at least for his deeds.

No no dont say "ask him urself". u said he participated in wars, c'mon lets hear which one, or was that just a guess?

Opposed to all wars huh?

maybe we shouldnt have helped kuwait in the gulf war.

or ignore the Jews being killed during the holocaust (shoulda known i was gonna bring THAT one up)

Or sit back and let the IRA kick around northern ireland (the place England is supposed to PROTECT).

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Originally Posted by K COSSACK

I came close to explaining but, not yet.


It's too fun seeing how u guys would react to an opinion other than the majority. (maybe this is trolling, but pointing it out would be tattle tailing wouldnt it).

u guys were predictable. gonna take a break of from seriousness.

PS.would all of you be complaining if the war had been succesful?

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That's a very big what-if you posit here, considering I saw people describe pretty much exactly what has happened in the last 4 years, way back in May-June 2003. Among a motley group of amateur and professional historians, the most succinct summary of what would happen was that the US was grabbing a tiger by the tail, wanting to let go, not daring to let go. One of those chaps, with 50 years of experience in the region behind him, is now occupied at Sandhurst, advising British officers returning from Iraq on how to minimise the mess he'd predicted from the beginning. He's not hopeful.

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Originally Posted by K COSSACK

No no dont say "ask him urself". u said he participated in wars, c'mon lets hear which one, or was that just a guess?

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"I suspect." And I'm probably correct. I have not personally asked him and I don't think I need to. Are you questioning his credibility or something? Because that would be a pretty nasty thing to do quite frankly.

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Originally Posted by K COSSACK

Opposed to all wars huh?

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Yes, I'm a pacifist. Some wars are inevitable due to various reasons but that doesn't mean I have to like it. At all.

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Originally Posted by K COSSACK

maybe we shouldnt have helped kuwait in the gulf war.

or ignore the Jews being killed during the holocaust (shoulda known i was gonna bring THAT one up)

Or sit back and let the IRA kick around northern ireland (the place England is supposed to PROTECT).

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1) If I oppose all wars then I oppose Saddam trampling around trying to expand his power as if it's the 19th century.

2) If I oppose all wars then I oppose Hitler launching insane wars trying to conquer the world. And since when had America entered the war to save Jews? That's classic revisionism.

3) Great Britain didn't won that "war" by blazing guns and kill-all-terrorists attitude. It took quite the opposite of that line of thinking to achieve the peace they have now.

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Originally Posted by K COSSACK

or ignore the Jews being killed during the holocaust (shoulda known i was gonna bring THAT one up)

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You're saying America went to war because of the Jews.

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By the way, I'm fairly sure that Goofball was in PPCLI, though I might have mistaken him with someone else. But what about your own Zaknafien, an American like yourself, who has been to Iraq? Would you listen to his opinions?

Really ppl when did i say we went to save the jews????

Would u be opposed to save the jews by fighting the nazis.......................

Also if ur opposed to war then u HAVE to be opposed to those ex. i gave u.....they're wars too.

EDIT: oh and zak and i had disagreements so i dont think so...

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Originally Posted by K COSSACK

Would u be opposed to save the jews by fighting the nazis.......................

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I'm saying that it didn't influence America's decision to go to war, and therefore comparing the two seems not to work, for lack of a better term. I'm hardly opposed, but comparing the two doesn't make sense. While war may have helped save the Jews...never mind, I'm sure you understand my point. Anyways, that's unrelated to the main topic. We can continue this discussion in a thread in the Monastery, if you like.

Cossack:

I suggest that you put down the pint, step away from your monitor, and take a nice walk. I know that Dade county can set anyone's teeth on edge (it would mine; though I do like some of the Brazilian resteraunts down there), but you're clearly distraught.


Thumb Rule:

Suggesting cowardice on the part of someone who has served in a combat area, unless you yourself were personally present to witness the episode, is poor practice.

You can attack their argument without getting personal -- and would better further your argumentative cause by doing so.

Damn i knew it.

u can be hardly criticised if u were a soldier urself.

then ppl ask me "have u gone to war? he has, guess we should listen to him"

its annoying and if u bring up "ive been in the army" (which is a cheap shot)

then dam right im gonna attack u, im sry if im not the requiered age sir.

No personal attacks, play the ball not the person.

Otherwise I will have to issue warning points.

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Originally Posted by K COSSACK

Damn i knew it.

u can be hardly criticised if u were a soldier urself.

then ppl ask me "have u gone to war? he has, guess we should listen to him"

its annoying and if u bring up "ive been in the army" (which is a cheap shot)

then dam right im gonna attack u, im sry if im not the requiered age sir.

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Nobody is saying you cannot criticise somebody because they are a soldier. This phase in the debate started here:

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EDIT: how many have u done? lets compare....

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Now, shall we get back on topic?

:logic: :book: :book: :hmg:

:laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Papewaio

No personal attacks, play the person not the ball.

Otherwise I will have to issue warning points.

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Don't you mean the opposite?

Would you believe that I was using reverse psychology? :sweatdrop:

No?, how about I was trying to subvert KAOS? :sweatdrop:

No?, can you speak to the wife on the shoe phone. :wall:

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Originally Posted by Papewaio

Would you believe that I was using reverse psychology? :sweatdrop:

No?, how about I was trying to subvert KAOS? :sweatdrop:

No?, can you speak to the wife on the shoe phone. :wall:

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Perhaps we should skip straight to the top of the power structure in the Waio household....

Since Babywaio is running the show after all. :cheesy: Heck, with Wasabe about, you're practically the gopher.....














:devilish: :devilish: :devilish:

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Originally Posted by Papewaio

Would you believe that I was using reverse psychology? :sweatdrop:

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You're just trying to make me feel better by demonstrating that other mods make mistakes, too. And it worked. My whole mood has improved. Thanks, Pape!

I'm the living example of don't do either what I say or do. :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Husar

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Ok, nothing big it's just that

Leben = life
Liebe = love

so it's Lebensraum. ~;)

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Liebesraum sounds pretty nice ~:grouphug: :hippie:

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Originally Posted by K COSSACK

Or sit back and let the IRA kick around northern ireland (the place England is supposed to PROTECT).

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Northern Ireland is a part of the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom is comprised of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland, the Principality of Wales and the Province of Northern Ireland.

If you feel the need to pass comments, have a stab at being factual.

K COSSACK is clearly confused and has nothing of interest to add to the debates he's taking part in. Since almost everyone's disagreement with him is pretty much clear, may I suggest just to stop quoting him? It's fueling irrelevancies and derailing topics.

On that note...

If the goal of the war was in fact oil rather than the stated goals of the Bush administration, could it be considered any more succesful than it is now? From what I've been hearing Iraq is not reaching oil quotas, meaning even more money flowing in from the US. Considering the general opposition to overlarge government spending on US citizens I'm surprised there haven't been more complaints about keeping Iraq affloat with taxpayers money.

Edit: which raises a thought. Greenspan's comment on the war in Iraq being largely about oil could just as easily be taken to mean that it was and still is crucial to funding the reconstruction of Iraq.

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Originally Posted by K COSSACK

Damn i knew it.

u can be hardly criticised if u were a soldier urself.

then ppl ask me "have u gone to war? he has, guess we should listen to him"

its annoying and if u bring up "ive been in the army" (which is a cheap shot)

then dam right im gonna attack u, im sry if im not the requiered age sir.

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You don't happen to have a cousin in New Jersey, answers to the handles "Kaiser" or "Capo" by chance, do you?