This just further denigrates the Nobel prize. Apparently the message is that it's ok to be a fear monger who distorts the facts, just so long as you're "raising awareness" about an already popular cause...
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This just further denigrates the Nobel prize. Apparently the message is that it's ok to be a fear monger who distorts the facts, just so long as you're "raising awareness" about an already popular cause...
Why the hatin' on Gore, guys? He's just trying to save us from 110% guaranteed doom, and he's super serial.
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CR
If, like the Nobel committe, one accepts that there is a grave climatic danger and that climatic upheaval will cause increased instability and poverty in especially the more vulnarable states of the world, then the Peace prize is very logical. I can see why maybe the Algoracle should not have won it, but I do see why it should've been the Peace Prize. Plus, let's face it, there's no way you could grant 'An Inconvenient Truth' a scientific Nobel prize.
Like with wars, one can argue that peace must sometimes be made pre-emptively. Which brings us nicely to the second part of this post, contemporary American politics:
Oi, you're right. I shamefully overlooked that. From an American perspective, this all does have an acute relevance to domestic politics indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prole
Quite right. I, too, know the programs of half of the American presidential hopefuls more than a year before the election, but I can't name the current presidents of Bangladesh or Nigeria. (These two nations together also represent 4% of the world's population)Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus
And it is true that it's the very status of former VP of the USA that won Al Gore a Nobel price. It is not his message itself - millions have said the same thing better before him - it is the global impact Gore's words have.
(When, say, the vice president of South Africa makes a hugely important scientific breakthrough nobody listens: where's that Nobel price for Thabo Mbeki, who discovered that aids is caused by poverty, not by a virus? And why was no Nobel chemistry price ever granted to the Great Chemistry Leader Elena Ceausescu?)
But I had two somewhat different points in mind, firstly the irony that both the most self-absorbed Americans and America's fiercest critics share the thought that America is the root and cause of everything in this world. Which had no direct bearing on anything said in this thread.
And secondly, related to the point above but more directly related to this thread, that this thought is a mistake. Not everything in this world can be traced to America. Neither all good nor all ills in this world. Poverty in Africa can't, corrupt politicians in the Arab states can't, the troubles of the welfare state in Europe can't. And the Nobel Peace prize can't. Which, as Prole was so kind to point out, is all nice and dandy but utter rubbish since the Gore Peace prize is a very direct American issue with a very direct connection to contemporary American politics.
She's not American, hence nobody is paying attention. ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by EnglishAssassin
Excellent statement Louis. Merci mille fois.
I noticed the name and wanted to ask whether she has any connection to Gotthold Ephraim Lessing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
I know he's a bit older but they could still be related.
After looking it up myself, apparently not, except if her second husband Gottfried Lessing has a connection to...well, not that important.
Louis, very eloquently put.
You're aware that the Peace price is the only Nobel price given in Norway? The rest are given in Sweden (=different committees).Quote:
Originally Posted by English assassin
Thats funny , it has being given to lots of people who were active terrorists . Just like its been given to people who were called traitors .Quote:
@Kral... You don't give the Nobel Peace Prize to someone that was an active terrorist.
Al Gore is getting the prize because his work is a "solution" to a purely hypothetical cause for war. When something's explicitly called a prize for Peace, you'd expect that the achievement has made some tangible contribution to resolving a conflict, or preventing the outbreak of one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stig
Maybe there should be an extra catagory for people who have made some lasting contribution to the world in a way that's not easily placed under the existing headers (physics, peace, chemistry, physiology, medicine, literature)
But then again, I frankly don't think Gore would deserve that one either.
I don't see why not, actually. The Oslo accords were a major breakthrough and the prize was a recognition of that, plus he had to share it with the other party. But given the rather political track record of the Nobel committees it is a bit awkward that Arafat got one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave
Time Magazine wanted to make Osama Bin Laden Person of the Year 2001, but wasn't "allowed". Guess who spoke up.Quote:
@Kral... You don't give the Nobel Peace Prize to someone that was an active terrorist.
Firstly was the prize not given just to gore, it was gore and...
''The U.N. climate panel, officially called the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), groups 2,500 scientists and issued a series of reports this year blaming mankind for global warming and outlining solutions.''
What we have is what is potentially the biggest threat to mankind, these scientists are attempting to find solutions...
It would seem that some of you think global warming a scare tactic, well i agree that some proponants of man attributed climate change have exagerated effects (often due to it being difficult to work out the severity) however there is little doubt amoung the experts that we are the cause and that there will be consequences.
Now we have a choice, do nothing in the hope that we are wrong, or take action to prevent this threat (such action need not be too destructive).
Consider whether the desision not to improve the new orleans levys was cost effective? but on a global scale...
Oh come on whens it gonna stop , next thing they will be giving people the award for research on improving food production .Quote:
What we have is what is potentially the biggest threat to mankind, these scientists are attempting to find solutions...
these things may not be as fancy as killing people, but they are still important...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
I still believe Mordechai Vanunu should've gotten the prize.
Like I've said the last 3-4 years...
Ah so that would be why they have given the peace prize for it previously .Quote:
these things may not be as fancy as killing people, but they are still important...
hmm well i do see what you mean but there isnt a, actions that will potentially save lives prize, and i guess the peace prize is as near as you will get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
Also i didn't mean so much to imply that this particular prize had been rewarded for taking lives in the past just that we should treat those who try to make important developments that could save lives and insure security in our future with more respect (then perhaps those who merely start unnessisary wars...).
Giving a so-called "peace prize" to a man who supports and advocates for genocide via 'abortion' - as Gore does - is insanity.
I don't see why Gore's Nobel is any more ridiculous than Yassir Arafat's or Henry Kissinger's. At least they chose to give it to a guy who isn't actively getting people killed this time.
Admittedly a bad call by the Nobel committee, but the reactions in this thread are completely out of proportion. Is anyone suffering from Gore Derangement Syndrome?
Actually, all of the Nobel committee members actively support abortion... So I doubt that will ever cross their minds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Navaros
@Lemur: I get upset whenever they don't give it to Vanunu...
Hurrah! for the majority of Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
So you're wondering why people are complaining about Gore winning the Nobel prize while not complaining about Arafat or Kissinger winning? Do you think maybe it could have something to do with the fact that Gore won just now, whereas the other 2 are in the past? If anyone ever wants to complain about a winner, must they cite every other winner they don't think deserved it as well to keep you from calling them deranged? :dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
Wow, that's going the long way around the barn. Your chain of assertions is amusing, and bears only a fleeting relationship with what I wrote. As I said, the reactions to Gore's win are, in my opinion, way out of proportion. I was commenting on the heat and venom being directed at a fat boy who won a prize for his documentary. He's not even an elected official any more. I'm not entirely clear on why Gore matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
Someone thinks he matters- they gave him a Nobel prize. Thus this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
I'd also point out that much of griping has been about the prize committee more than the large one himself....his hypocrisy has already been well-documented. :wink:
THAT's an inconvenient truth!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
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We bemoan, fair Lemur, not this self proclaimed 'Goracle' nor his actions. He has set about a course of action many fault him for, but many still praise him for. Yet in the previous statements we see a great clamor from the masses denouncing his action. If then the denouncers include those who would follow his advice, sagely or no, can not the outcry be disjointed from one's attitude towards the man?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
Is not the hue and cry raised, then, by the populace, directed against the action of awarding and not the recipient? For is not this esteemed group descended from the first Nobel prize committee? And was the Nobel prize not started to glorify those who did there utmost to raise humanity up through knowledge and peace?
And yet from those glorious foundations, great bedrock principles of enlightenment, we see awards for peace given to those who have done nothing for peace? What claim has this Goracle have, or even made, on helping to spread peace? Nay, it is his worldly renown for speaking on a scientific issue that is his only claim on notoriety. But if he adamantly insists he speaks on science, then why was he not given an award for scientific achievements?
And thus we come to the point - the sharp tip of discontent - that the Nobel Committee hath forsaken their beginnings to award a man for political views. His science holds no great truths, and he hath made no strides towards worldly peace. And so we see the mighty record of human achievement reduced to a partisan rubble. This Goracle must surely know that, yet still he accepts this award, as everywhere friends of reason and science gnash their teeth and tear at their hair, bemoaning what has become.
Crazed Rabbit
Heavens above! Our dear Rabbit is moved almost to poesy! Ne'er have I seen ye so airy with thy parsiflage my dear sir. There does seem
a whiff of the political about this annual's award -- more objective than honorific mayhap?
I tip my hat to you, fair Crazed Rabbit, and cede the field. Your rant is just and worthy!
Al Gore and the IPCC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPCC...
So im going to issue a challenge, i challenge everyone in this thread to read their report, in full and see what you think of it. Please try and aproach this without bias forget what you currently believe and see what you think.
Thanks.
The summary comes in three parts:
http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Report/..._Print_SPM.pdf
http://www.ipcc.ch/SPM13apr07.pdf
http://www.mnp.nl/ipcc/pages_media/F..._SPM_final.pdf
Okay, I've got confession to make here: I like Al Gore. He's a real American success story. Became Vice President, took on the Presidential Race, won the popular vote even when he lost the election, and even then still obstinately refused to fade into obscurity. Quite the opposite. While his victorious opponent George W. Bush sits in the imperial White House quietly watching his achievements, his reputation, and even his relevance falling apart, the man who lost the election gets rich, gets the Nobel Prize, gets to raise issues, gets to be controversial, and gets talked about on a regular basis. :2thumbsup:
Who cares if he's right or wrong, or whether he deserved the Nobel Prize or not? He made his place in history like a real American Dream hero (snobby East Coast Ivy League version, though); a Gatsby, one could say. And to hell with the trivialities like "hypocrisy" and "accuracy." People only raise those kinds of issues when they know they've lost the Rat Race.
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Gore has done a great job with creating awareness about the global warming issue. In the future the climate changes might very well lead to armed conflicts, thus his work does really got something to do with the Peace Prize.
His video contained scientifically mistakes yes...but the human-caused global warming is still true, which is the whole point of the video anyway LOL.