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Fragony your comments illustrate your views very well
Originally Posted by :
welcome and bring your whole retarded village.
Now that is a nice illustration of why Anders Gravers has a problem with having a message yet trying to not associate with people with the same message .
Perhaps the lesson in all this is that if you think people with the same aims as you are nuts then maybe your aims are nuts too
Originally Posted by Fragony:
Without immigration, Norway's economy would be in a complete mess now. The oil was pumped up by pakistanis..
Economically speaking they are a massive burden, unemployment rates among immigrants is so excessive it costs us billions of euro's a year. Not to forget the massive crimerates. There never was selection at the gate here, so we got people from medievalstan and message was welcome and bring your whole retarded village. That didn't work. The most passionate supporters of all this nonsense are usually from enviroments that are white as snow, not unlike Finland, it's nice to have a hobby but do it with your own money.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Why not look for the country's that are culturally the most enriched, the Netherlands, England, France, Belgium, it's a fricking disaster for the economy's of these country's, massive unemployement, screaming crimerates. Billions and billions and billions of euro's.
Without immigration, Norway's economy would be in a complete mess now. The oil was pumped up by pakistanis..
Originally Posted by Fragony:
Can't blame your economic disaster on the immigrants. Sorry, that one is too cheap.
Why not look for the country's that are culturally the most enriched, the Netherlands, England, France, Belgium, it's a fricking disaster for the economy's of these country's, massive unemployement, screaming crimerates. Billions and billions and billions of euro's.
How 'bout trying this instead: boost your economy to create new jobs to reduce unemployment.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
I blame it on
Can't blame your economic disaster on the immigrants. Sorry, that one is too cheap.
How 'bout trying this instead: boost your economy to create new jobs to reduce unemployment.
Create jobs for uneducated unintergrated people who can read nor write and don't speak the language? What kind of jobs? And even if we, god knows how, created them, the payoff for working a full week would be just about as high as the welfare they recieve now. Jobs enough by the way, that is why we are all to happy with the poles who do the jobs the immigrants don't want. Welfare state has spawned a group that just can't be activated.
Originally Posted by Fragony:
Bah, you savages will never learn how to manage your land.
I blame it on
Create jobs for uneducated unintergrated people who can read nor write and don't speak the language? What kind of jobs? And even if we, god knows how, created them, the payoff for working a full week would be just about as high as the welfare they recieve now. Jobs enough by the way, that is why we are all to happy with the poles who do the jobs the immigrants don't want. Welfare state has spawned a group that just can't be activated.
Time to give it up and recall the nobility, I'd say.
Originally Posted by Fragony:
That's what people say here as well, despite the fact that more than 50% of wannabe-immigrants are refused entry.
There never was selection at the gate here
Originally Posted by Husar:
Those are asylum seekers, we have an extremily harsh policy concerning those, certainly less then 50%, much less I think. But most new immigrants come here through marriage, the majority of the girls import a man from marocco and the men do likewise, often after 4 year they divorce, immigrant is then legal, and they marry again.
That's what people say here as well, despite the fact that more than 50% of wannabe-immigrants are refused entry.
Originally Posted by Fragony:
You might want to review your laws when marriage is seen as the best/only way to gain entry to your country.
Those are asylum seekers, we have an extremily harsh policy concerning those, certainly less then 50%, much less I think. But most new immigrants come here through marriage, the majority of the girls import a man from marocco and the men do likewise, often after 4 year they divorce, immigrant is then legal, and they marry again.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
We tried, but there is this lovely thing called europe, they go to belgium, marry there, and move back here. Nothing we can do. Only thing that helps is a complete lockdown of our borders for non-western immigrants.
You might want to review your laws when marriage is seen as the best/only way to gain entry to your country.
Originally Posted by Fragony:
I wasn't talking about laws to limit immigration.
We tried, but there is this lovely thing called europe, they go to belgium, marry there, and move back here. Nothing we can do. Only thing that helps is a complete lockdown of our borders for non-western immigrants.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
I wasn't talking about laws to limit immigration.
You mean to get the well educated foreigners aboard I assume? An employer can fix a working permit, but we aren't as popular as a destination anymore, the taxes are high, and because there aren't enough houses the housing is very expensive, if I sell my place and move to the states I can live ten times as spacious as I do now. Immigrants with potential move to the states or canada (and Finland so it seems) and I don't blame them. Sad truth is that we have gotten ourselves into a situation nobody knows how to fix, and to make it even worse the natives have had it and are migrating en-masse.
Originally Posted by Fragony:
It's time for those old and wise words: It's the economy, stupid!
You mean to get the well educated foreigners aboard I assume? An employer can fix a working permit, but we aren't as popular as a destination anymore, the taxes are high, and because there aren't enough houses the housing is very expensive, if I sell my place and move to the states I can live ten times as spacious as I do now. Immigrants with potential move to the states or canada (and Finland so it seems) and I don't blame them. Sad truth is that we have gotten ourselves into a situation nobody knows how to fix, and to make it even worse the natives have had it and are migrating en-masse.
Fix that, and you'll fix everything.
BTW, I wasn't just talking about the well educated immigrants, there's a limited number of jobs requiring good education and you could also educate people after they get there.
Oh, and who wants to move to finland, the land of frozen lakes?
Originally Posted by Fragony:
Can they be muslim extremists when they divorce? At least in christianity divorce is usually frowned upon. If they're that loose concerning morals and marriage, they cannot be a grave danger.
But most new immigrants come here through marriage, the majority of the girls import a man from marocco and the men do likewise, often after 4 year they divorce, immigrant is then legal, and they marry again.
Originally Posted by Husar:
Stop putting things in perspective.
Can they be muslim extremists when they divorce? At least in christianity divorce is usually frowned upon. If they're that loose concerning morals and marriage, they cannot be a grave danger.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
But of course, if you have any good suggestions I would be delighted to forward them to those that represent us. Economics have been warning for decades that the welfare-state in it's current form would turn out to be unsustainable, but linking it to immigration was political death. Now we still have a very healthy economy, but the tax payers who are funding the party are leaving. You will see quite a few highly able dutchies comming your way in the comming years, Finland and Denmark are both popular migrationcountries. Listen to their tales of woe and conclude that uncle Fragony has a point.
It's time for those old and wise words: It's the economy, stupid!
Fix that, and you'll fix everything.
Originally Posted by Fragony:
They would choose scandinavia as a tax haven...?
But of course, if you have any good suggestions I would be delighted to forward them to those that represent us. Economics have been warning for decades that the welfare-state in it's current form would turn out to be unsustainable, but linking it to immigration was political death. Now we still have a very healthy economy, but the tax payers who are funding the party are leaving. You will see quite a few highly able dutchies comming your way in the comming years, Finland and Denmark are both popular migrationcountries. Listen to their tales of woe and conclude that uncle Fragony has a point.
In that case, I doubt that they are "highly able". They're more likely to be "slightly retarded".
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
As a welfare state haven and because the dutch feel 'connected' with the scandinavians (even though scandinavians aren't exactly the most welcomming people), usually refered to as the netherlands of thirty years ago, you see in scandinavia you pay high taxes and get something back, here you pay high taxes but you have to pay for everything nonetheless, you or your employer.
They would choose scandinavia as a tax haven...?
In that case, I doubt that they are "highly able". They're more likely to be "slightly retarded".
Lord have mercy on my soul, but I shall help Fragony get his point across.
Here's a graph of Norway's immigration. It looks exactly like one from France, Belgium, The Netherlands fifteen years ago. Norway only started to receive mass immigration in the late eighties, fifteen to twenty years later than the Rhineland countries. Extrapolate the following for another two decades, and Norway will be where the Rhineland is now:
https://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7532/nor1er4.jpg
As for 'It's the economy, stupid. Improve that, and all your troubles will vanish like snow before the springs sun' - well, no, I'm afraid it doesn't work that way. Take a look at Norway's unemployment graph. Irrespective of economic fortune, the unemployment rates for Norwegians are extremely low, three to six percent. Whereas the ones for immigrants vary more wildly with the economic flow, but are consistently much higher. Will Norway's social oil welfare state be sustainable in twenty years time, when the oil is drying up and the number of non-western immigrants will not be 4% anymore, but 15-20%?
https://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8430/nor2sw1.jpg
Originally Posted by :
Now that is an absolute classic . The more Fragony writes the less sense he makes .
They would choose scandinavia as a tax haven...?
In that case, I doubt that they are "highly able". They're more likely to be "slightly retarded".
Look ...Originally Posted by :
... bollox , though to be fair he does name one country that has above average unemployment , but that countries rate is falling not rising , and he manages to name a country that though it has below average unemployment is not falling , but it isn't rising either .
Why not look for the country's that are culturally the most enriched, the Netherlands, England, France, Belgium, it's a fricking disaster for the economy's of these country's, massive unemployement, screaming crimerates. Billions and billions and billions of euro's.
How about ....Originally Posted by :
Half of the people leaving the country are migrants returning home , and your en-masse flood of natives leaving is proportionly smaller than it was 40-50 years ago .
Sad truth is that we have gotten ourselves into a situation nobody knows how to fix, and to make it even worse the natives have had it and are migrating en-masse.
Or even ...Originally Posted by :
OK ignoring the fact that 2/3 immigrants are european , what is happening to all these moroccan immigrants ? are they practicing cannibalism or something ? there must be some reason why they make up les than 2% of the population..so Frag are they eating themselves when they arrive ?:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
But most new immigrants come here through marriage, the majority of the girls import a man from marocco and the men do likewise,
Originally Posted by :
Listen to Fragonys tales of woe and you conclude that he must be from that village in medievalstan he mentioned
Listen to their tales of woe and conclude that uncle Fragony has a point.
Your numbers are so incorrect Tribes, must have been looking for them at the wrong places.
whistleblower Sietsma, former head of the immigration department;
http://www.hetvrijevolk.com/?pagina=...immigratieramp
numerical wizardry
http://www.hetvrijevolk.com/?pagina=...eggedefinieerd.
Originally Posted by :
thats funny frag , they are from your government .
Your numbers are so incorrect Tribes, must have been looking for them at the wrong places.
Originally Posted by Tribesman:
That's what I said
thats funny frag , they are from your government .
Originally Posted by :
No Frag what you said that a former civil servant who is a member of the lunatic fringe contends the figures .
That's what I said
Originally Posted by Tribesman:
Not him contending the figures, just saying how they got that way (technically the head of the immigration office is a civil servant of course), what you should be looking for is in the second link.
No Frag what you said that a former civil servant who is a member of the lunatic fringe contends the figures .
question, how come you speak dutch? just curious.
het vrije volk?
:laugh4:
Sorry, but that doesn't sound like a reliable link. :sweatdrop:
whew what posts...
will europe ever be saved?
Originally Posted by Boyar Son:
Get rid of the left and you get rid of the problem.
whew what posts...
will europe ever be saved?
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat:
That one is a little flawed; we received a large batch of immigrants, mostly pakistani's, when we started drilling seriously in the late 60's to 70's.
Here's a graph of Norway's immigration. It looks exactly like one from France, Belgium, The Netherlands fifteen years ago. Norway only started to receive mass immigration in the late eighties, fifteen to twenty years later than the Rhineland countries. Extrapolate the following for another two decades, and Norway will be where the Rhineland is now:
Oh, and there are a LOT more swedes here than it's shown. there's around 50k working in or around oslo alone.
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat:
Our unemployment now is actually negative, in that we lack workers. As of this instant, there are 43 419 people registered on www.nav.no, which is the government site where unemployed people have to register to get aid. That number also includes people who have signed up on the site only to browse job ads, like myself, so the number of actual unemployed people is a little lower. The number of job ads on that site is 31 913. So, we have 40k unemployed and 30k available jobs right now. Now factor in facts like that 60-70% of all available jobs are never advertised, job ads in different places, etc, and the result is that we in effect have no unemployment at all.
As for 'It's the economy, stupid. Improve that, and all your troubles will vanish like snow before the springs sun' - well, no, I'm afraid it doesn't work that way. Take a look at Norway's unemployment graph. Irrespective of economic fortune, the unemployment rates for Norwegians are extremely low, three to six percent. Whereas the ones for immigrants vary more wildly with the economic flow, but are consistently much higher. Will Norway's social oil welfare state be sustainable in twenty years time, when the oil is drying up and the number of non-western immigrants will not be 4% anymore, but 15-20%?
Oh, and about the oil, Norway haven't used any oil money for a couple of decades now ~;)