Medieval War II Mods

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Can't find the link but it's from horse's mouth (maybe at the .com). A CA rep explained that the strategic AI and the diplomacy AI were two seperate routines, programmed seperately by seperate programmers, all through the line, that is MTW, RTW and finally MiNO/Kingdoms.

The strategic AI completely ignores the diplomatic one. It's much probable that it doesn't know a diplomacy feature exists at all.

On topic, the diplomacy in MiNO is just more polished. More options appear in the interface and you are informed of the weight of your proposal (generous, balanced etc.). But the rest is no better or worse than RTW or MTW. You get an alliance and trade rights, which were deemed very generous, the counter-part very friendly towards you, and are attacked the same turn.
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Originally Posted by Mouzafphaerre

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Can't find the link but it's from horse's mouth (maybe at the .com). A CA rep explained that the strategic AI and the diplomacy AI were two seperate routines, programmed seperately by seperate programmers, all through the line, that is MTW, RTW and finally MiNO/Kingdoms.

The strategic AI completely ignores the diplomatic one. It's much probable that it doesn't know a diplomacy feature exists at all.

On topic, the diplomacy in MiNO is just more polished. More options appear in the interface and you are informed of the weight of your proposal (generous, balanced etc.). But the rest is no better or worse than RTW or MTW. You get an alliance and trade rights, which were deemed very generous, the counter-part very friendly towards you, and are attacked the same turn.
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btw, whats MiNO?

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Medieval in Name Only = M2TW :laugh4:
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Everyone keep saying that cavalry is overpowered in M2TW...
I admit, I haven't played much but cavalry charges were not overpowered at all! A cavalry charge could trample over a unit of medium (and sometimes heavy) infantry that was not carrying "pointed sticks~D". However, these charges had to be executed with perfection and great coordination. And if your cavalry started chasing routers...It became more and more disorganized...
Nothing compared to vanilla RTW... Much better in my opinion...
Now... about the spear units issue... Never, a regular unit of knights , in my game, routed spears with ease... Except if you had heavily armed, knights with AP weapons, and in this case when against spears of the lower quality...

I'm troubled...:feedback:

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Originally Posted by Mouzafphaerre

Can't find the link but it's from horse's mouth (maybe at the .com). A CA rep explained that the strategic AI and the diplomacy AI were two seperate routines, programmed seperately by seperate programmers, all through the line, that is MTW, RTW and finally MiNO/Kingdoms.

The strategic AI completely ignores the diplomatic one. It's much probable that it doesn't know a diplomacy feature exists at all.

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That would explain a lot. However, I don't quite see how the fact that they were programmed by two different programmers proves that they don't interact as well. I am pretty sure that paying regular tribute makes the A.I. less inclined to attack you in EB, so there is some interplay going on.

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The AI was probably busy with some random brigands etc. Not EB but in vanilla BI I was attacked the next turn after accepting to become protectorate.

The two routines not interplaying is not my conclusion, but part of what the CA guy had said. :shrug:
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Well it's good for EB then that the AI can be modded in M2TW then isn't it?

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Is it? :inquisitive: Well, if you're saying so it is! :2thumbsup:
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Yup the campaign AI is very nicely moddable, the battle AI is moddable but to a lesser extent.

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"Should I give MiNO a second chance?..."
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Originally Posted by Mouzafphaerre

The AI was probably busy with some random brigands etc. Not EB but in vanilla BI I was attacked the next turn after accepting to become protectorate.

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I wouldn't claim such a thing if I hadn't observed it in multiple campaigns. It's not a surefire, but I find that A.I. is less agressive towards me when I pay them regular tribute and if they do attack me, they are more likely to accept a cease-fire. It also seems to me that when they do get hostile, I often provoked them by using spies and assassins against them, but I am les certain of this as I only observed it a few times.

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Originally Posted by Mouzafphaerre

The two routines not interplaying is not my conclusion, but part of what the CA guy had said. :shrug:

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Sorry, I misunderstood what you wrote.

Forget about DLV, as of the last patch, you need to build a jewish temple, and have a popultion of 20% jews before you can build a Merchant.
I have gone back to SS.

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forget about DLV,F as of the last patch, you need to build a jewish temple, and have a popultion of 20% jews before you can build a Merchant.
I have gone back to SS.

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You needed to build a Jewish temple so you went back to the SS? Unintended pun me thinks :yes: Your right, I love DLV but I thought that was kinda lame.

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Originally Posted by zonks32

Forget about DLV, as of the last patch, you need to build a jewish temple, and have a popultion of 20% jews before you can build a Merchant.
I have gone back to SS.

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lol? I don't have DLV but if it's as you said is a terribly big historical error :no:

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Originally Posted by zonks32

Forget about DLV, as of the last patch, you need to build a jewish temple, and have a popultion of 20% jews before you can build a Merchant.

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????

For every faction?

(even though I don't know a single Mediavel "faction" in which the trade was controlled by Jews; certainly nowhere in Central, Southern or Western Europe)

From what I read on the forum it applies to all factions and provinces, the modder does state thats its not historical.
There is a new trait which is " king pisses off the nobles"
This cause's the nobles & family members to become rebel or Loyalist, the rebel nobles can move about 1cm each turn and if governing a city will cause it to revolt.
In theory it is good but I found this happened to every king in my campaign, so maybe they have to tone it down a bit, other than these issues, I found the mod quite good, the map is huge, not so much the area covered but the actual size of the continents, England is perhaps twice the size of vanilla, which makes for more field battles.

Darth Mod... having units act like they're supposed and occasionally losing a battle adds much to game play.

yes i will agree,darth mod is the best mod for AI,

I've enjoyed the sicilian vespers, very very similar to chivalry total war, which has a few aspects I'm not a fan of, such as the massive movement values. I understand that it is realistic that it didn't take a year to move an army through italy as it does in vanilla and other mods, but for the sake of avoiding army teleportation, I don't know what else you can do in a turn based game. I'm going to probably try out Stainless Steel and see how that goes, seems a bit more conservative, just incorporating smaller, proven mods. Pro Deo Et Rege looks promising also, might try that one too.

Which mod is better and more realistic, The Sicilian Vespers or The Long Road?