Not what I was asking at all. I was hoping you would give us a run-down of how you won that heroic victory.
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Not what I was asking at all. I was hoping you would give us a run-down of how you won that heroic victory.
I am also interested in thisQuote:
Originally Posted by lobf
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Originally Posted by glouch
Wouldn't it be funny if you ambushed an enemy army with an army of 20 phalangites? Then you can literally form a sarissa phalanx box that encompasses the entire enemy army. Then you can slowly crawl and surround them... XD
Ok, A review!Quote:
Originally Posted by Maksimus
First of all.. One 'small' army was in town in Kypros that had two hoplites and an archer unit, ..
My army was at the Noth Gate. And the Big army that came at me was at the West Gate. So, the first thing i did is to 'run-in' the town with my generals that followed defeated archers in through the North Gate - in the mean time One of my phalanx is fighting the hoplite unit that came out on me from the cities North Gate. The other army is coming closer in full march!
So, regardless to that I run in with my generals (in hope to take all of the gates), hoplites and one phalanx (the better one - because that phalanx is supposed to fight at the 'high-end' enemy right away in the town center - were enemy does not run)..
But, the enemy general (in the stronger army) is on the horse - so he marches in quickly.. leaving my Family Member near the West Gate that should have been taken... (and this fact make my troubles, If that gate was taken on time - there would be no Heroic)
In the mean time Pyrros is taking the South Gate (the East gate is not important any more).
So, my phalanx that was left behind (fighting the hoplite unit) had won now that I managed to run it down with my hoplites from behind (that made probs to me at the center - where now is only one phalanx unit in defence mod fighting against the last hoplite unit from the 'smaller' army).. the enemy army is coming fast - In the all my campaigns.. The proper use of phalanx and cavalry is my Victory..this phalanx is realy my hero here!
The enemy general runs at my phalanx in the center.. (now the main part of 'large amy is in the city coming from the West - still, that army was slowed down by my FMember charges at them in defence mod couple of times just to gain time to reach the center with my infantry) So I pull Pyrros back from the South to charge the enemy general from the flank while my other phalanx and hoplite unit are runing at the city center together.. SO! Pyrros runs down the enemy general that is to strong for him .. and yet - strong enough to eventually break my stronger phalanx for sure!
BUT!!! The thing happend!..
The enemy general is runing after Pyrros that I have pulled back to South (to gain another charge) - so they are now runing at south gate together .. by that time - my hoplites are reaching the center - to help my stronger phalanx.. and the other phalanx is 'reversing' its route to a smaller street that heads up across the path enemy infantry is using to reach the center.
My other family mamber is instantly going to help Pyrros from West to South while Pyrros is runing away from the enemy general..
And the improtant thing now.. Pyrros reaches South-East corner of town and then fights the enemy general - my familly member runs at enemy general from the Suth-West corner :: We kill the enemy general!::
But, the enemy phalanx is approching to my phalanx in the center (that is realy tired now) that is fighting enemy hoplites with my own hoplite unit..
This is where my other phalanx comes to act! It hits enemy two phalanx from the flank (because enemy is heading at the center) .. Here comes my generals that run the enemy phalanx from the back a couple of times and I win!!
note:this is on VH/VH settings on Alex.exe AI - that is much smarter.. but the situation is basic for all RTW.exe or BI.exe..
Hope I was not borring and that I was clear!
Be well My Friends! ;)
Thank you for explaining that, it makes sense now!
Well, blaah, this isn't actually too heroic, but it's nice nontheless. It's Conan the Barbarian showing how to cut off a few Roman heads.
The sceptical overview of the armies:
https://img100.imageshack.us/img100/...how1ie2.th.jpg
Conan hacking some Triarii:
https://img100.imageshack.us/img100/...how4xt2.th.jpg
Road to Ariminum is open:
https://img100.imageshack.us/img100/...how5xk3.th.jpg
The end results:
https://img225.imageshack.us/img225/...owshow6lt7.jpg
After the battle I threatened Rome to give me some goodies, but since they refused, Ariminum is no more. About the course of the battle, I couldn't make any sense of it. I just charged while they were still forming up and it all went to hell.
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Meanwhile, southwest of Bibracte.
Now this is why I actually posted the previous. That was a heroic victory, so it grants me access here. This battle was only a clear victory, but the testicles in that battle were huge. In it a Gaesatae force of 120 men held the bridge against 300 Gaesatae. Of course there were other soldiers involved too, but the 120 Gaesatae nutsacks were the ones that made the day.
The Gaesatae from both sides were at the front. The 120 pairs held the ground, until the general began methodically deploying reserves. At the end of the day out of the 240 testicles, only 64 survived. But the balls of the survivers grew five times in size. The turning point of the battle came when the general himself lead the final reserves to help the ballsy ones. The Arverni were terrified at the solar eclipse caused by the Aedui general's massive balls. Although discouraged, most made their retreat in an orderly fashion, not to be outshone by the massive, gleaming nutsacks of the Aedui. All in all about 600 Aedui testicles were lost that day, and after the battle 176 of them turned gold. The surviving Gaesatae would forever be proud of their pairs, and songs were sang about them. The victorious general had custom a chariot built to support the weight of the massive, humongous balls he gained.
From a player's standpoint, I assure you the balls were enormous. They were extraordinary, almost divine. Absolutely colossal. I am proud to have witnessed such ballsiness. In Finnish I'd say, the battle was "an omelett".
The shot may not be so great and it only shows a fraction of the battlefield, and a few owners of massive pairs, but without further ado:
Tremendous Balls:
https://img233.imageshack.us/img233/...allswl6.th.jpg
Uf.. very nice.. that is a lot of expirience.. Very nice realy.. I never played with barb factions.. But I guess they are very nice to use .. do, have you played a battle against phalanx with these armies.. how much harder to win is it afainst the Macedonia or Epeiros?
I had a few battles against Epirus in another Aedui campaign, and while phalangites were pretty nasty, if you got the non-phalangite units to rout, the phalangites would soon follow. Chaonion Guards usually fought to the death and needed Gaesatae to take care of them. Sometimes it was best just to destroy the rest of the army, while letting Chaonions retreat on their own.
My Greatest Heroic Victory in EB Ever (yes, it's the dumb AI fluke)
This is perhaps my greatest victory (or AI battle fluke/stupidity) in EB. Battle Ratio: 3 to 20
I was Roman, year 215 BCE in Asia Minor. I had ~374 soldiers, composed of ~half strength Triari, merc phalangites, camillan reserves, and 2 ~full strength cretan archers and 1 Persian archer. The Seleucids sent several huge stacks at me, 2 of which beseiged my city. The armies that beseiged me had 2500 soldiers, composed of mostly phalangites (see pics), spearmen, and elite phalangites.
I was 95% sure the city was screwed, so I prepared to relinquish control to the Seleucids. Well, for some reason, they only built 3 seige weapons, and didn't use their seige artillery. Then they started randomly circling my walls.
In the first 30 minutes, they got their tower to my wall and heavy wall fighting ensued. Then they used the battering rams and broke open my gates.
I decided to send out half of my troops from the other gate, and attack the seige tower...thinking that they could only use the gate entrance if their tower was destroyed. Well, it worked...after their tower collapsed, the enemy sent wave after wave of troops to attack through my gates...tower fire and boiling oil killed most of them, allowing me to pull of a crazy lopesided heroic victory. All in all, it took me nearly 2 hours of fighting. :D
pics:
Battle Strength Ratio:
https://img207.imageshack.us/img207/...thratiolg5.jpg
Enemy Army #1 Stats:
https://img95.imageshack.us/img95/30...tatscc9.th.jpg
Battle Scene #1 "Start":
https://img207.imageshack.us/img207/...tandhj4.th.jpg
Battle Scene #2 "Boiling Oil Frying Elite Phalangites":
https://img95.imageshack.us/img95/64...and2nc1.th.jpg
Battle Scene #3 "Defeating Elite Phalangites in Melee - with Archers"
https://img95.imageshack.us/img95/65...and3tg7.th.jpg
Battle Scene #3 "Aftermath - Enemy General's suicide charge of Desperation":
https://img99.imageshack.us/img99/14...and4ef4.th.jpg
Aftermath, Heroic Victory Stats:
https://img207.imageshack.us/img207/...torybe0.th.jpg
That is exelent Intranetusa, very well used city defence system, personally I always prefer to use towers as a weapon.. as much as we can - we should!:yes:
Thaatu, did you have an impression sometimes that wining a Heroic is very much possible when you have most of lower-end units, but when you have the elites .. no matter what (I just killed more then 1200 men with two Elite phalanx and I wont get Heroic) you can't get it.. And still, elites are not that much powerfull compared to native (weaker) units.
That is very well expressed in the phalanx world!:wall:
Thatuu, that is definitely a battle that you WOULDN"T want to get a CTD haha, 2 hours =] Nice
Yeah, in the battle I posted, I got 500 casualties while it still being a heroic victory. That's because most units were of lower quality than the enemy's. If the odds of the battle are 1:1, a heroic victory requires almost no casualties while the enemy being completely destroyed. Attacking a basic eleutheroi posse of three to four units with nothing but a single Gaesatae unit usually results in a clear victory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maksimus
Damn that this thread didn't exist a month ago. I destroyed a full Sweboz stack with a general, a Gaesatae unit, two Bataroas and two slingers. I ambushed the stack and it was truly awesome. I had like 800 men, of which 500 took part in melee, against 2500 Germans. The enemy general died in the first minute and the slaughter was beautiful. But still, I have no proof.
I had a fun battle. Epeiros decided to backstab me and attacked my tiny garrison at Pella with their big-ish stack. The units i had there were crappy, only for keeping the population happy, so i thought i was screwed. Luckily however i had recently built stone walls, so i wanted to fight anyway and take down as many bastards as possible so my relief army could take back the city later. It turned out to be a crazy battle :yes:
I had:
2 units of Toxotai,
1 unit of merc Hoplitai,
1 unit of Hoplitai Haploi,
general,
1 unit of merc Iphikratides hoplites (732 men in total), none of which at full strength.
They had (i am going by my memory on this since i didn't think to take a screen before the battle):
3 units of levy phalanxes,
2 generals (one with ~85, one with ~50 men)
~2-3 units of skirmishers
~2 mauled units of Thureophoroi
1 unit of Illyrian Thureophoroi
1 unit of Classical hoplites
several cavalry units, i forgot which ones
Maybe a few more that i can't remember, 2321 men in total.
Basically they attacked the walls in force and my men sure gave them hell :yes:
After all their infantry was slaughtered on the walls, all their cavalry came charging in through the gates (they rammed the gates down early on but for some reason didn't enter). At that point i had about 60 iphikratides hoplites on the walls and 50 bodyguards on the ground, all others had died on the walls. Well, my guys once more proved they're tough fuckers, it was especially cool how my general held off about 160 cavalry alone while the hoplites were on their way to surround the cavalry :2thumbsup:
In the end, i won with 7 men left, as you can see on the screens :egypt:
The wall here, and the carpet of bodies
https://img217.imageshack.us/img217/457/0011wl3.png
The streets, with my lone general and the remains of the botched cavalry charge
https://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9708/0009en9.png
The end result
https://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2748/0012vu5.png
:applause:
That is all I can say
7 men!!!
Now that's epic!
I've had some heroic victories, but all were defending a city with one phalangite and some troops. Hell I'm going next time to try to do it with the phalanx only.
7 men! Nice =]
Good thing they recovvered right back to 245 hehe
Acctually.. here is one heroic... but, there are 3 major battles here, and all are 'played' by a single army - no reinforcements and Pyrros
Now, after a hard battle for Patavum,
https://img250.imageshack.us/img250/3875/patavumzc5.jpg
I had to pull my troops back to retrain them in Epeiros. After that I brought them back to Northen Italia and started to gain pace until I reach Massalia
I started with Mediolanum
https://img123.imageshack.us/img123/...iolanumck8.jpg
https://img250.imageshack.us/img250/...olanum1lx5.jpg
Then Bononia
https://img123.imageshack.us/img123/1725/bononiagd5.jpg
https://img123.imageshack.us/img123/...nnonia1ji9.jpg
Then Segesta - Where I lose the best general EVER in all of my RTW campaigns.. He Was 18 years old and level 8 expirience.. Gaestae killed him while he was in full charge at their back!
https://img518.imageshack.us/img518/368/segesta1mi4.jpg
https://img518.imageshack.us/img518/...7bb9ac3daa.jpg
https://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2241/segestaid7.jpg
And Massalia !
https://img518.imageshack.us/img518/...assaliasy0.jpg
https://img518.imageshack.us/img518/...b106bae5fb.jpg
https://img250.imageshack.us/img250/...ssalia1dh5.jpg
I am now heading for Asia... will post for sure :charge:
Maksimus, you need to write a battle AAR with TONS of screenshots and going in depth about your battle strategy.
Very wonderful post, I've [U]love[U] to see more!
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Although a ford defence, it was the artillery but mainly well-timed cavalry charges that turned the tide:
https://img208.imageshack.us/img208/6431/2200dm0.th.jpg https://img210.imageshack.us/img210/1493/2201xc2.th.jpg
https://img208.imageshack.us/img208/9933/2202ww6.th.jpg https://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2129/2203ve2.th.jpg
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Awww... Look at the unit size. They're so tiny! So cute! :baby:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mouzafphaerre
That makes me want to use small troops again... Very nice Heroic.. I think that it is even harder to win with small units so that is a plus + to you Mouzafphaerre
And for my battle strategy that is used to win Northen Italy and Massalia (and specially for tapanojum).. I can say this,
https://img518.imageshack.us/img518/368/segesta1mi4.jpg
https://img518.imageshack.us/img518/...7bb9ac3daa.jpg
https://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2241/segestaid7.jpg
First of all, I have used the same strategy for these towns, so a 'simple draw' of it will come now and some major explanation will come after some expirience with multiple 'print screen'.. That will happen to , eventually
So, about that campaign.. ok - the point is to have one 'catapult' that would allow you to move around the city if you want to get a better angle, then you will have to disable 'time limit' for battles - because it kills your creativity..
Then you have to have phalanx for this strategy because it wont work much for these kind of attacks if you have some medium infantry. You have to have 30% of archery in army and almost no cavalry at all - they don't need you there
The point is to get as close as you can to the city walls with your phalanx and breach the walls ahead.. in the mean time do the same with archery (but disable their fire at will) .. then , when you have done that (when infantry/phalanx are close to enter the city, archery can reach all enemy units near the entrance of your phalanx - THEN - you make archery fire at will so they can make enemy fall back to the town center runing away from the arrows)
THEN - you must act fast , fast as hell.. you must use phalanx to enter the city and make them for multiple phalanx that is pointing at the enemy - I mean realy for the phalanx at very enter LIKE IN THE FIRST PICTURE..
and make the same in the opposit direction so you keep the phalanx back ..
Then the enemy just runs at your phalanx and gets killed.. any enemy... but you must kepp the line of phalanx right ant tight, you must use 3 units to form then in a phalanx wall that stands in are that is ussually just for one phalanx unit - that means to 'add phalanx over phalanx' so you make them more effective - the same is done with cavalry when you wish a stronger charge...
After you do all this right -- you make history..:charge:
note:; you don't need hellenes - you can use any phalanx and any archers (but the bast is if you use stepe archers)
Which battle was heroic? ~:confused:
I have edited my post..:laugh4:
lol, awesomeQuote:
Originally Posted by Maksimus
I usually play with restrictions that make it harder for me to win battles (to compensate for AI's stupidity) such as almost never using phalanxes, reading/watching TV while fighting battles, never exploiting map weaknesses, not expand until I'm attacked, etc
Thus, I play as the steam-rolling Romans and still manage to lose huge battles and suffer huge causalities (2000+) - it makes the game much more fun when you lose a couple of times. :D
It does.. ..
You should try using ALX.exe for EB 1 - it is much harder to win..:yes:
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Originally Posted by Maksimus
Is the Alex.exe compatible with RTW vanilla and BI saved games and vice versa?
btw the instructions are a bit confusing - does Alex.exe need a clean install? or can I install it when I already have EB 1.0 installed?
No.. Alex.exe is not compatible with BI.exe, and I am suro that it is not compatible with RTW.exe too..:shame:Quote:
Originally Posted by Intranetusa
And you don't need a clean install.. you can just install Alex.exe and see if it works (it should work) and then just download the data I have uploaded at FileFront.. just copy-past that data and overwrite all.. and have fun..:laugh4:
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Originally Posted by Maksimus
Do we just download the files you put it to make it work, or do we have to have Alexander actually installed?
You have to have Alexander installed and working...:shame:
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Originally Posted by Thaatu
Virtues of running EB on a low end system. :laugh4:
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