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Sick of the lack of challenge posed by the Mongols in vanilla M2TW? Tired of being a spectator to the Mongol shuffle?
Play BC!
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=142585
This thread has gotten me so excited about facing the Mongols in BC that I can barely contain myself
Bring it on!
Do they have some ALL cavalry stacks in BC ?
I found it hilarious to see the Mongols with mixed stacks in vanilla. Yes sure have mixed stacks for siege but why have 18 cavalry units with 2 infantry, slowing down the whole stack. I hope this is fixed in BC. That would be a dream.
I will report back here when I get to them myself
Sadly I don't have nearly enough time to play BC at the moment...
Well, I've just got the 'Mongols Unite' message so I should be seeing them soon.
I won't be fighting them though, since I'm playing as the Kingom of Makuria.
Same for me, I better play the Kypchaks or Great Seljuks next time, I think.
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EDIT: Just wanted to add that I highly reccomend this mod. Out of all of the great mods I've played for various TW games, this is the only one I'd put on a par with EB. I have a little AAR going in the throne room if anyone wants to see more what the mod is like. Also, there are some far better aars in the BC forums in twcenter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xehh II
Better than PDER?
What's PDER?
PDER = Pre Deo et Rege
Oh, is it good?
BTW the BC mongol invasion.
12 full stacks with a 13th smaller stack, unfortunately they aren't all cav, their stacks are about half-half with a couple of trebeuchets.
This is why they should've had dismounting in M2TW.
I can't upload the image yet for some reason, I'll try later.
Que? :stupido2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Galain_Ironhide
PDER = Pre Deo et Rege
Check this thread:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vladimir
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=437
Here are some more of my screenies.
Look at the goodness within:
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No screenshots, but I do have to say that the Rajaput faction is very interesting. I wanted to try a faction with limited cavalry, and they really don't have any melee cavalry for a long time. Elephants are obviously useful, but even the bodyguard ones aren't unstoppable tanks, as I rapidly discovered when I used up my family members all the way down to my King while expanding through the rebel territories. Soon there will be war with the Ghords (sp?) and we'll see if my tactics can survive without cavalry.
I don't know how true this is of other factions, but I found it particularly interesting that the starting army is so far superior to anything you can train yourself in the first fifty years. I'm not accustomed to having to use scrub troops to preserve my quality soldiers, so I lost half those men before I realized just how long it would be before I could replace them. Painful.
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It's the same for the Ghorids
I lost a unit of Ghulams in a pointless rebel skirmish and kicked myself when I realised I couldn't replace them...
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Here are some more of my Makuria Campaign screenshots, this time in a battle against the Ayyubids.
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As you can see I didn't actually kill many of them, I just captured(and executed)them.
OOOOk guess I'll HAVE to install it tonight. :wall:
A series from a bridge battle in Pakistan against Ghazni troops using Afgan mercenaries. The AI behaved quite impressively, rushing it's small initial force onto the bridge to block my advance while their reinforcements made their way to the battle and pushed back my attack. The battle went on for some time, and I was forced to rotate in and out my infantry. In the end I won, but I had five hundred casualties.
If the AI had passively waited on the far end of the bridge for my mercenary heavy cavalry to strike them they would have been overwhelmed immediately, and I expect I would have lost about a hundred men slaughtering their reinforcements.
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I too have seen some encouraging signs from the battle AI
during a siege battle as the Ghorids the rebels inside the city stormed their axemen out the front gate to try to kill my ram-crews, supported by jav-cav
I lost many more men than I expected to in taking the city
Broken Crescent is pretty incredible. I've played maybe 30 turns as Armenia, KoJ, Makuria, the Sihks, Oman, and the Rajaputs before settling in on Georgia for the long haul. (I don't really like horse archers...as you can see...)
Each of the factions thus far have been much different from the others. As KoJ, you are surrounded by a faction that simply won't have diplomatic relations with you! As Armenia, you are sandwiched between two Christian nations, each of which is determined to march through your lands - ERE towards Antioch and KoJ towards the Turks. As the Indians you have incredible elephants, that unfortunately tend to run amok frequently but are incredibly strong until that happens. We won't talk about the Sihks and Oman...(some call it challenging, I call it impossible).
I've never been a big fan of the longer build times, but the rest is great. Great mod.
Brilliant mod, highly recommend it.
my2bob
I have been looking forward to it, but I ended up being disappointed. It's like the vanilla game: lots of shiny units but not enough focus on improving gameplay. Armies rout on contact, and the AI never develops properly. Too bad, as the potential is there. Though these problems can be remedied by combining other mods and do-it-yourself modding, I just don't feel like doing all of that all over again and I was hoping to find it in the mod already.
This is a series from my first battle against the Mongols in BC. The most impressive part? Both of their generals withdrew and escaped with their lives when it became obvious they couldn't force the bridge. This was only a stack and a half attack too, their third stack was captain led and they'd decided on a night attack. I think they would have crossed and smashed me with that third stack.
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i really like this mod but there are still some bugs and the most annoying thing is the loading times. when i start the game it takes about 3x the normal time to start and when i end a turn it takes soooooo long until the next turn. especially if i did nothing but build/recruit on that turn it feels like forever. takes about 4x longer to cycle trough the AI then in Vanilla. else this is a very good mod and recommend it :yes:
cassu, that's probably the campaign script slowing down the end-of-turn phase
I know a lot of people had similar issues with EB which is even more script-heavy
can't say I've noticed it, but it seems to vary from rig to rig
from my new seljuk campaign. I lost this siege assault :embarassed:
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This is without doubt the best mod I ever played. I really love smashing my enemies with elephants :whip:
Continuing my Mongol war, here you can see what happens when you try to hold a bridge with a bunch of left over Tier 1 junk garrisons. I had recently defeated the Mongol Khan, and he got retreated to the other side of the river. Naturally he attack one end of the bridge, and his men attacked at the other, trying to reunite. I charged across at him and killed him quickly, but then:
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Next a remarkable siege (Remarkable in that I lost).
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Excellent stuff. Some amazing shots there.
I found this one in the BC forum screenshot thread, originally posted by Kalos:
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Awesome Ghorid pic and Mongol fight pics.
Okay, a little background here, I don't ever remember losing a siege in which I had more than five companies of men. In vanilla I've held off three Mongol stacks with five companies of freebie garrison troops. Easily.
Some of that is due to bugs (Stop the AI's ram once, and 90% of the time they'll just leave it sitting there), some of it due to general incompetence (Is the AI even capable of getting men onto High Walls with siege towers?), and some of it is that I'm not half bad at these games.
It's a pretty key flaw in the game engine, right? The fact that, as a player, I pretty much always advance and the AI very nearly never does. The idea that the AI could take a citadel, or even a fortress, is laughable. Quite honestly, given the behavior I've seen in vanilla, I don't believe it would be necessary to do anything to prevent the fall of a citadel. If you had a one man company of mailed Knights keep the towers firing I bet the AI's attack would collapse due to bugs between the second and third gate, even if they had multiple full stacks including artillery engaged in the effort.
So when I saw this in Broken Crescent I was concerned, but mostly for my machine's ability to keep up:
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A staggering defeat, IMHO. Sure, I was using non-native, tier one scrub troops with just a few mercenaries and my generals for elephants, but I'd take two thousand town militia in a city against eight thousand Mongols in vanilla any day. This campaign had been fun up to this point, now it was awesome. I declared a vendetta against the Mongols.
I've gathered hordes of elephants and smashed Mongol stacks in the field. I've expended thousands of useless tier one troops to drag down a few hundred of the enemy. It's been about the most fun campaign I've played since Shogun.
...and I'm playing the easiest faction in the game. Next I'm going to grab one of the infantry heavy factions, crush the Kwaz again, and wait for the Mongols to arrive. Should be a blast.
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