Hang on, I think Dayve tried to say 'compared with EB, RTW is a complete heap of crap'
Well, I believe RTW is one of the best turn-based strategy games ever made, but EB simply lifted it higher and made RTW pale in comparison.
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Hang on, I think Dayve tried to say 'compared with EB, RTW is a complete heap of crap'
Well, I believe RTW is one of the best turn-based strategy games ever made, but EB simply lifted it higher and made RTW pale in comparison.
RTW wasn't a great game, it was the basis for a great mod. An empty box that EB filled with lovely goodies if you will. Putting aside the fact that it was completely inaccurate history-wise, which i found hard to do being such a fan of all era's of history, it was a decent game for about a week, when it just got old.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoffrey S
We really don't tolerate CA bashing like that here. Dayve, I'd advise you not to go that far on the matter again.
I would easily buy Rome Total War 2 if they simply took RTW, loosened their hardcoded limits somewhat and put in a really good AI. The challenge is basically what has been missing since MTW. I had some really tough campaigns in Shogun, but there were a lot less factors for the AI to consider in that game too.
From what I understand, you can reproduce a certain percentage of a publication. Something around 10% isnt it? As long as it is duly credited, etc.
In any case, you can certainly transcribe the article without the pictures without arousing anyones ire.
So, if you'd be so kind...
^^ could not have put it better.
RTW wasn't all that great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoffrey S
I absolutely loved Shogun, liked the first Medieval a lot, but RTW... Meh. Slow (compared to M:TW) campaign with not a lot to do, stupid AI, ahistoricality, WAY too short and easy battles (cavalry in the back -> all enemy units rout within 5 seconds)...
It just got boring within a week. EB, on the other hand... Dayumn. I'm lovin' it. Complex, historically correct, more realistic battles, etc about everything that can be better has been.
Had it not been for EB, I would've called my purchase of R:TW waste of money. And no, I'm not "bashing CA", simply criticizing a product, which I'd hope was allowed. Free speech, and stuff, y'know. 8)
It is not the fact that cav charges in the back routing infantry in 5 seconds, it would have done in 'real' battles. It is the fact that it is too easy to put them there.Quote:
Originally Posted by The General
What i said was not bashing, it was extreme criticism. Bashing would be saying CA sucks, but i enjoyed Shogun and Medieval 1 and 2 immensely, and nowhere in my posts have i said CA sucks, therefore i was not bashing, i was criticizing a badly made game. It was an empty box, but if it'll make you feel any better it was a good empty box, because at least EB could open it up and fill it with goodies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teleklos Archelaou
You like med 2? I actually noticed some of the bugs in med 2 without the help of the online community. Anyway, Rtw was a work of pure genius.
Only one criticism to CA; why do they think that making their games ahistorical will make their games better than making it very historically accurate? Do the part timers care? No, but we more historically inclined people are more likely to play it. Don't try and do an EE3 and try to please everyone, therefore pleasing noone, but at least try and make the possibilities (in Romes case historical education and ultra-realistic simulation) go with each other.
I don't see why making them realistic wouldn't appeal to the general gamer who doesn't care about the historical aspect of it. When people buy an ancient or medieval RTS game they want to see men in armour stabbing each other. You will see this with historical accuracy or without. The game could have been fast paced even with historical accuracy. They could have made two settings, one for quick battles and one for longer, more realistic battles. I've been through the necessary files and changed the morale and defense/attack of each unit individually and i know it only takes 4 or 5 hours to make battles longer and less unrealistic, and i did it single-handed, so i know with all the people working for them CA could have had it done in a much shorter time.
You can't deny that the game was rushed and made to bring in lots of money, rather than made to be a good game like EB is, which is understandable, but it could have had a second setting to make it more realistic like EB is.
If anybody here doesn't welcome criticism like that which i have posted then all i can say to you is... Sieg Heil.
Your post was fine until the last line :thumbsdown:.
Is it possible that I could be missing the funny part?
sorry for going off topic
Where can i recruit the Mosquito unit that turns into a Elephant unit after the vanilla RTW reforms
ok i know :focus:
And that's fine by me. Polite, and clearly your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by The General
However, calling the game a 'stinking piece of crap' as Dayve did takes things several steps too far. His final comment also shows that despite his attempts to appear civil, he's immature at heart.
I must reiterate my point earlier: RTW was already a great game in my opinion, a cut above most others. It took the time a mod team like EB can offer to make it nigh-on perfect, and this wouldn't have been possible if RTW wasn't a great base. Sure, stuff like balancing and historical accuracy wasn't too everyone's taste, but I know I enjoyed myself (without mods) in the many months before EB was released. And for some reason, thousands of other PC gamers managed to do exactly the same, and I think it's a cheap implication that all are misinformed and incapable of recognizing a supposed bad game.
Sassem, I'm tempted to agree. It's not a subject I can be bothered to argue about any longer, much as the surprisingly large amount of Ron Paul supporters on the internet...
The fact you got so butthurt over someone elses opinion shows you're immature at heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoffrey S
I thought the game was crap, that's my opinion. If somebody doesn't like that, tough. I don't see anything in the rules that says criticism isn't allowed on these forums. I see swearing is not, which is why i didn't say steaming pile of s***.
http://uk.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/r...ar/review.html
http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/rome-total-war/550385p1.html
http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/550/550373p1.html
http://www.guru3d.com/article/gamereviews/166/
http://compactiongames.about.com/od/...rometw_rev.htm
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=56767
It is not a bad game. Infact it is rather good. :yes:
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